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Putin as a strongman. i will say that a sign of weakness is forcing people not to be able to speak their mind, crushing dissent, like vladimir putin's regime constantly does. i would also say, strongman try to manufacture crises to give this sort of necessity of having a strong leader. it's one of the, sort of, aspect of the psychology of power from dictators. they don't only generate crises, but they also become victims of their own propaganda and worldview. they drink their own coolidge, so to speak. i think this is happening to vladimir putin. he has invented a fake worldview, forced his ad...

Going to do in the next hour or so, is really not negotiating. again, this is a political stunt. a messaging stunt. on his part. and he will say that democrats are not for border security. perhaps he won't say it today. but he will certainly say it tomorrow, and he has certainly said it earlier this week. >> do you think we would see more republicans sign on and take sides with democrats if they pass this bill this week, mark? >> i think there is going to be issue on some republicans to join on, but i don't think we're at that point yet. when we say the government is shut down by the way, we'r...

We haven't seen that before either. >> it doesn't seem like either of them score points with each other though, that's the other problem here. >> that's right. >> and talking about the shutdown stalemate. thank you, everyone. please stand by. more to discuss. we will bring you the president's announcement about the government shutdown, live from the white house, when it happens. it is scheduled for 4:00. so that is about 45 minutes from now. meantime president trump also talking about north korea today, in a second summit with kim jong-un. it's set for next month, he says. what can the presi...

Why this wall is necessary. getting back to the politics, though, of this discussion, mark, i'm wondering, can trump really say democrats aren't for border security, if they pass this legislation in the next week, that would be providing money for border security? >> well, he will. i mean whether it's true or not, he will continue to parrot it. in many ways, and i joke about saying whether it is true or not, because i don't think you will even find republicans who will privately tell you that they don't think that democrats are for border security. in fact, these are many of the same republica...

Trump makes a deal without the wall, or the steel slats? is he desperate enough? >> well, it doesn't seem like he's desperate enough to completely abandon the wall. the question i guess is can he, could he back off of some element of it, could he, would he be willing to go with a little less money. that's unclear. it certainly doesn't look like it. in fact, go can into the speech this morning, he told reporters, as he was leaving to go to andrews av andrews air force base, wall, wall, wall, he wasn't backing off at all. i don't think that is the only reason why everyone should be skept cam abo...