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The argument will be he is bleeding, staggering, don't throw him a life line. but the potential cost is if it makes it harder to get immigration, they may pay a price for that in 2016. >> the president doesn't have to run again, it is not a threat in the personal sense for him, but i think you can see this come to play in health care. it is just beginning to roll out, the sort of down side of it, the taxes and how is it going to work and how do you cover everybody. you're already hearing republicans up there going wait, the person that was in charge of this office at the irs is now in charge o...

He found that term basically offensive even though that was in the report that was released that they were targeting, even they used that word and came out in that report. on and on and on this went yesterday. >> tucker: you show up, as you just said, you show up for a congressional hearing, you know what you are going to be asked and you don't have the names of the people responsible? >> clayton: right. >> tucker: what are you thinking? that's not oversight that's evasion. >> he admits he says i will be happy to look into it for you. >> tucker: look into it? you are in the middle of a congres...

Term. >> listen to the now ousted acting commissioner of the irs testifying today. i'll play a little clip. >> i think that what happened here was that foolish mistakes were made by people trying to be more efficient in their work load selection. the listing described in the report while intolerable was a mistake. and not an act of partisanship. >> is that argument going to work? >> god bless him for standing up for his friends and colleagues at the irs but that was the ultimate bureaucratic answer. he disputed, i don't think this is targeting because he thought targeting would be nefarious. h...

Efficient in their work load selection. >> reporter: yet steven miller repeatedly insisted inappropriate irs scrutiny of conservative groups was not politically motivated. >> it was a mistake and not an act of partisanship. >> reporter: his explanation? back in 2010 the irs was bombarded with applications for tax-exempt status so they came up with a shortcut using words like tea party to i.d. groups. >> look, they get 70,000 applications in there for 150 or 200 people to do. they triage those. >> reporter: but for four hours, he couldn't or wouldn't answer many questions. >> actually i do not ...

Names sounded conservative, like tea party and the like. just seven days later congress is swinging into action. on the right, that's steven miller, acting irs commissioner. he submitted histion and on the left is russell, he's the irs official who investigated this matter. first, listen to steven miller. >> as acting commissioner, i want to apologize on behalf of the internal revenue service for the mistakes we made and the poor service we provided. i do not believe that partisanship motivated the people who engaged in the practices described in the treasury inspector general's report. i thin...