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To lawmakers, who will have a harder time selling the steal? mccarthy or biden? >> well, a lot of lawmakers are waiting, you mentioned that you think that briefing that democrats again and participate in later today, a lot of lawmakers are taking that wait and see petito approach, particularly because we're waiting on final bill language. what it's looking like right now, that mccarthy is going to have a tougher time. yes, there are parts of the agreement that we know progressive democrats aren't particularly keen on, that work requirement for food stamp recipients, for example. but it seems l...

What i am just leading in the two leaves here from what the white house and kevin mccarthy have said. that age is now being raised to 54. and you're exempt if you're a veteran, if you're an unhoused person, last, night members were telling me, if you are previously the foster care system, you are also exempt. now that means 54, you have to be working in a training program. in order to receive snap benefits, is that something you're willing to support? >> it's hard to say without looking at the text. when we look at the circumstances through this population where they're forcing these requireme...

The discussion going forward. garrett grays, one of the top negotiators, told me earlier in the day that he will insist on work requirements to be part of any deal. >> democrats right now are willing to default on debt so they can continue making welfare payments for people that are refusing to work. people that are without dependents, able-bodied between 18 and 55. that's crazy that we're even having this debate. >> are you willing to drop that work requirement and just -- >> hell, no. hell, no, not a chance. >> reporter: even if a deal is reached is saturday, setting this into law is a whole...

Service spending. but nonetheless, in a divided government, there will be compromises. there is a reason why, though, the work requirements are the last thing that is being agreed upon because both sides care very passionately about this issue. it is personally shocking to me that the republicans have even successfully inserted thissed into dialogue because it is not a fiscal issue. this may be an ideological issue, one that people are passionate about, but the economic implications about it are slim compared to the other issues that we are talking about. so, certainly if -- and it's a giganti...

Increase. there are other major sticking points as well including over the issue of work requirements. that means actual -- for social safety net programs. republicans want to impose on programs like food stamps new work requirements for those beneficiaries. democrats believe that push will hurt needy families and could be detrimental to a lot of people who rely on that for their nutrition and for their it daily lives. but all the negotiation is part of the discussion now going forward, and as garrett graves, one of the top negotiators, told me earlier in the day, that he will insist on work r...