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Organizational discipline. i think that that is why i am somewhat more optimistic about providing cuts that will allow us to reform work rules and other practices that make it harder to reprioritize spending. >> we have a senator from ohio on the phone. he joins us now from his home state of ohio. welcome back to the program, senator. >> good to be back, chris. thanks. >> senator, what do you think, are you hoping they do not reach a deal and we get the sequestration -- >> i can't imagine the republicans that signed their vote away assigned their ability

Union as opposed to put it up for an open bidding process. >> estimates are that it costs 12% to 18% more because of this national labor relations act and more importantly, because you've got to have union work rules, it takes a whole lot longer to complete any project. all with federal taxpayer money. >> all this as california is broke. when you're looking at the situation when you can get the work done cheaper, it seems like a silly rule for people who live in california. >> it is. california is broke, the federal government is broke. we're going to spend federal taxpayer dollars on more exp...

new york. i'm wolf blitzer. thanks for watching. the news continues next on cnn. good evening, everyone. it is testing time in american politics. one leading republican presidential contender, texas governor rick perry, is about to make his debate debut and is drawing a political spotlight as his state deals with punishing wildfires. >> at this point we're urging people to avoid any outdoor activity which could conceivably start a fire. >> another top-tier gop contender the former mches governor mitt romney took issue with the democratic incumbent as he outlined a 59-point plan t...

negotiations to continue. key elements of the republican establishment are trying to nudge the hard line conservatives to a compromise. defaulting on our debt is not an option. it has real, immediate, and potentially catastrophic consequences. the ratings agency standard and poor's sent a team to capitol hill saying not raising the debt ceiling would stain america's credit rating and drive up interest costs for everyone. many house conservatives, though, aren't ready to give up and some of them won't budge. they say if there's any new taxes in this deal at the end, they would rathe...

Station workers or the people who need help in emergency, firefighters and ambulance drivers, our job is to make sure that the work rules enhance those causes rather than get in the way. >> chris: but don't take away the collective bargaining rights. >> i don't have a problem with collective bargaining. if you want to get together as a group and be represented why should you not? that is the essence of democracy. >> chris: you considered, i don't know how much you considered but there was balk about it you running for president in 2008 as an independent. >> and i said i wasn't going to run and...