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>> but every year the elected officials negotiate new contracts and every couple of years or four years they go before the voter. say to your elected officials you gave a union contract that we can't afford. >> but the unions end up supporting you, i say collectively because you made a sweet heart deal with member. >> the public is a greater number of people and gives more money than jut the unions. is a bogus issue. it is true the unions are a pressure group. they work for their interests. so do industry and a lot of different groups work for their interests and try to influence the elected o...

The negotiations. it is you guys. >> but every year the elected officials negotiate new contracts and every couple of years or four years they go before the voter. say to your elected officials you gave a union contract that we can't afford. >> but the unions end up supporting you, i say collectively because you made a sweet heart deal with member. >> the public is a greater number of people and gives more money than jut the unions. is a bogus issue. it is true the unions are a pressure group. they work for their interests. so do industry and a lot of different groups work for their interests ...

Workers and the people who need help in an emergency, firefighters and ambulance drivers and whatever, our job is to make sure the work rules enhance those causes rather than get in the way. >> chris: don't take away their collective bargaining rights. >> i don't have a problem with collective bargaining, you want to get together as a group and be represented, why should you not. that is the essence of democracy. >> chris: finally, you considered -- i don't know how much you consider it, but there was talk about it, running for president, in 2008 as an independent. i have -- >> i said, i wasn'...

Groups of relatives who wanted them to come and we let it happen but that is this past, what will you do going forward? you cannot support them, and, let's find a way where they are productive, where they contribute to society. >> chris: in your new badge yudu call for laying off 4600 teachers and want to change the rule so merit, not seniority determines the first out. and, what do you think of chris christie in new jersey and scott walker, taking on the public workers unions. >> the problem with the municipal workforce, in this country is not the unions. in fact, it is the rest of us, that h...

Wanted them. groups of relatives who wanted them to congresswoma come and t happen. that is the past. what are you going to do going forward? you can't deport them. it is too many people, it would never happen. find ways where they are productive and contribute to society. >> in your new budget you call for laying off some 14600 teach -- 4600 teachers and want to change so that merit not seniority would determine who is the first out. what do you think of the republican governors around the country like chris cristie in new jersey and scott walker in wisconsin taking on the unions. >> i read a...