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State and local government pension and health care plans. they've also led to personnel practices that tie the hands of local elected officials often results in perverse outcomes. >> well if i was on his side, i'd be saying the same thing. this is a political fight. >> no, but is he right? >> no, he's not correct because the numbers show where collective bargaining is not allowed in states there's $222 billion budget deficit collectively of all of the states. this is not a worker problem. this is not a wage and benefit and negotiated problem. this is wall street. this is an aftershock of wall ...

Hire illegal aliens after this bill, big time, that's what he says. will he do it? i don't know if he is going to do it. look, leslie, don't give me he wants to secure the border because that's just not true. dana, was president bush worried about the hispanic vote? is that why he didn't send guard to the border until i had forced him to do it you? know, dana, i forced the president to send the guard to the border. >> yeah, we talk about that all the time. >> bill: took me years to do it but finally he did it was it the hispanic vote he was worried about? >> i think having grown up in texas an...

Look, leslie, don't give me he wants to secure the border because that's just not true. dana, was president bush worried about the hispanic vote? is that why he didn't send guard to the border until i had forced him to do it you? know, dana, i forced the president to send the guard to the border. >> yeah, we talk about that all the time. >> bill: took me years to do it but finally he did it was it the hispanic vote he was worried about? >> i think having grown up in texas and being governor of a border state himself. he had understood that one the best ways to deal with this was to have a temp...

I don't know if he is going to do it. look, leslie, don't give me he wants to secure the border because that's just not true. dana, was president bush worried about the hispanic vote? is that why he didn't send guard to the border until i had forced him to do it you? know, dana, i forced the president to send the guard to the border. >> yeah, we talk about that all the time. >> bill: took me years to do it but finally he did it was it the hispanic vote he was worried about? >> i think having grown up in texas and being governor of a border state himself. he had understood that one the best way...