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President's personal lawyer was in touch with the office responsible for freezing that military aid to ukraine. personally on the phone with him, at&t records show at the peak of the pressure against ukraine this past he placed multiple calls to the white house switchboard and situation room. so he was in the loop, so was the president. the phone lines also showed back in april giuliani received several calls from the omb, which controlled military aid to ukraine. and that's when giuliani was leading a smear campaign, by the way, against former ambassador yovanovitch. i'm joined by eric swalwe...

Investigation were doing in some of these phone calls and meetings and so forth. we've never seen rudy giuliani testify on this. never seen mulvaney testify, never seen john bolton testify. they all refused or were not asked. mostly refused. and the house intelligence committee decided not to pursue a lengthy court battle because what they argued we've already got enough evidence. but it does leave a lot of open questions. >> well, let's talk about common sense here because do you think rudy giuliani was calling up omb to get full funding for title 12 programings? rudy giuliani had one interes...

I'm asking this dead seriously. what's it going to be in the history books for all-time? this is the report that's going to say why trump faced impeachment, right? >> this report will stand the test of time, chris. it's just a question will my republican colleagues stand the test of courage. >> let me ask you about this rudy giuliani role, the fact that giuliani was on the phone with the omb, that controls the funds to ukraine, what does that tell you? >> rudy giuliani is trump's lawyer. so we proved in our case donald trump is rudy and rudy is donald trump. and they are inp inseparable, but l...

People as i open the program with in the cold open the connection involving the ranking member -- republican member on the intel committee, devin nunes involved in these conversations with lev parnas, the associate working with rudy giuliani. rudy on the phone with somebody at omb and also at the white house. it's like picking up a rock when you were kid and seeing all the bugs underneath it and how all the bugs were interplaying with each other. it's all connected it seems. your thoughts. >> yeah, and one of the tricks, of course, is it also reveals how much there is still to be learned. this...

Not in furtherance of national foreign policy. that's why you saw fiona hill who was running russia and europe policy at the nsc completely left in the dark while john bolton apparently objected to this saying it was all, you know, some sort of a drug deal metaphorically, it was outside of what was supposed be the normal channels. and it wasn't as fiona hill said she learned through testimony a rogue channel, because it actually was responsible directly to the president as she concluded, it was not sort of on its own, it was part of what the president wanted. it just happened to be he took it ...