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Policy. also with us from seattle retired four-star u.s. army general barry mccaffrey and msnbc military analyst with experience in government and military throughout the world. james, terrific piece, well researched and written. i recommend it to everybody. let's start with kelly. who i'm afraid a general and not a cardinal. he is being talked about in near religious terms. a lot of people putting hopes and dreams on this guy. afflictle as far as we no know. what's the upside and down side of the president's reliance on generals. >> the up i'd is these are men, worldly men, nonpartisan not pa...

I recommend it to everybody. let's start with kelly. who i'm afraid is just a general and not a cardinal. he is being talked about in near religious terms. a lot of people putting hopes and dreams on this guy. a political as far as we know. what's the upside and down side of the president's reliance on generals? >> the upside is these are men, worldly men, nonpartisan not part of the swamp that trump talked about so much as a candidate. they know how to run large organizations, disciplined. that's the upside. >> the downside is they have a very nonpartisan tradition of the u.s. military. and t...