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The same time that the campaign was proceeding. >> john, president trump had previously been dismissive of a pardon for the people close to him who have been tied up in mueller's investigation. i want to play this. this is what he said in december about michael flynn. watch this. >> i don't want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we'll see what happens. let's see. >> so is a pardon for manafort and gates even theoretically possible. >> well it of course is theoretically possible. but whether it's practical or not -- you could well be charged with obstruction of justice in connection ...

What is interesting is that it's clear that manafort had deep financial problems at one point, but when he joins the campaign, suddenly he's getting great sums of money, millions of dollars. in loans that he was unable to accomplish before. that was part of the fraud. >> ken, these documents filed by mueller's team are incredibly detailed and they're very thorough. you were involved in an early lawsuit against manafort for financial crimes. what stands out to you about this case and are you surprised at just how deep this goes? >> well, it's extremely detailed, but i think as john indicated, i...

For trump to pick manafort, who had really not been involved in presidential politics in the united states for almost three decades, i believe, and so i think it raises questions of judgements and it just is another brick on the load for this white house. you have the mueller investigation. you have the problems with kushner and his background investigation. you have papadopoulos. you have carter page. now you have gates and manafort. that all -- it makes a very difficult job in the white house even harder. >> alice stewart, what message do you think the special prosecutor is sending? >> first...

John dean former counsel for nixon white house. and ken, a former federal prosecutor. the charges, john are unbelievable. the sentencing for the new charges leveled against manafort and gates could be as high as 30 years in the eastern district of virginia. but they filed a status report in the district of columbia with that case, because there are two pending criminal cases against these guys. and that status report revealed that they filed this action in virginia because they didn't have venue in the district of columbia, and the parties -- none of the defendants agreed to it so they got a s...

Donald trump ordered bob mueller fired, a plan that was squashed by trump's own lawyer. tonight many are asking what if trump wasn't stopped, would mueller actually have been fired? could he still be fired? is this bombshell "new york times" report rocking the white house tonight as president trump returns from davos, is this story fundamentally about the past or the future? this important story tonight, i have a break down for donald trump if his own employees don't stop his efforts to oust robert mueller, a federal judge could. this is the most important check on a run away president. and it...