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Conviction in the senate would do precisely the same thing on steroids and also would allow the president to claim somehow that he had been exonerated. >> the difference is, is with impeachment they would have to present a case. they'd have to present facts and if they have them then they have something and i dwragree the see wouldn't convict. then they have something to go to the american public with. with censure, they say we don't like the president's behavior and that's not something the people can say, wow, that's wrong and he must be convicted of such a thing. >> joel, there have been a ...

As well. do the president and his team see all this as to their advantage politically? >> well, no president wants to be impeached, chris. i think the thing i've been picking up from people close to the president for weeks now, they believe if democrats were to move forward, they would overplay their hand and that would be politically advantageous to president trump. interestingly enough, house speaker nancy pelosi currently makes the same sort of argument, that she believes because the senate wouldn't convict, the president would message off that and campaign off that. i've talked to democrat...

Wouldn't convict donald trump the same way they didn't convict bill clinton so you don't have any bipartisan consensus on the issues and if you didn't have bipartisan consensus, you really would have to have a slam dunk reason to do it. they are treading carefully. they are going to treat this as oversight, but be very cognizant of the fact that there was an election and there will be another election coming up where people can actually voice their feelings about donald trump. >> oh, and that election is looming large, isn't it? we heard from the trump campaign where we heard already this new ...