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Would pardon his son, his son-in-law, that if he is backed up against the wall and has a case against him, why wouldn't he pardon himself? >> katty kay, i'm not sure there is isn't a line this president wouldn't be willing to cross. >> yeah, i mean, the point about his supporters, you know, abandoning him, the evidence is his supporters are growing when it comes to public opinion on the whole russia investigation and the number of people who feel this is politically

I was surprised to hear bannon quoted as saying this. you know, this is a guy who said we're going to make sure mitch mcconnell is not majority leader anymore and talking about chris mcdaniel in mississippi who had been an insurgent candidate. do you feel like republicans in washington are pulling things back together in the face of the midterms? >> i wouldn't say that they're pulling things back together, although i do believe that their electoral outlook has improved. that the size of the blue tsunami, such as it is, and we saw some of these extraordinary results in the special elections, i ...

Son-in-law, that if he is backed up against the wall and has a case against him, why wouldn't he pardon himself? >> katty kay, i'm not sure there is isn't a line this president wouldn't be willing to cross. >> yeah, i mean, the point about his supporters, you know, abandoning him, the evidence is his supporters are growing when it comes to public opinion on the whole russia investigation and the number of people who feel this is politically motivated. whether they are winning the legal case here, they are certainly winning the public opinion case. if this is going to be a political issue, amer...

But it seems cut and dry. we know very well that it is a felony to lie to a federal agent, and that's one of the reasons that, well, that martha stewart went to prison, or general flynn pled guilty. so we have read accounts that he lied to investigators at the fbi. why wouldn't he be charged? >> well, i think that the expectation is that he will be charged. the problem facing mccabe is that the record that his own colleagues created. it was the inspector general's office that concluded he had lied. one of the key witnesses was james comey himself. in fact, mccabe's lawyer sort of went after co...

Cut and dry we know it's a felony to lie to the federal agent. that's one of the reasons martha stewart went to prison or general michael flynn pled guilty, we have read accounts that he lied to investigators at the fbi, why wouldn't he be charged? >> i think then expectation is that he will be charged. the problem facing mccabe, it was career officials that concluded that he had lied. one of the key witnesses was james comeyom himself. mccabe's lawyers went after him for his recollection. one of these individuals is not telling the truth or recounting the facts correctly. it's going to be har...