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There's no question he brokes the presidential records act. it doesn't have any enforcement mechanism. if what he did crosses that line that he highlighted, if he was trying to get rid of document, tear up document, take them with him because he's trying to avoid some i vnvestigation then you could be kroscrossing the line criminal conduct. was he doing with some criminal purpose? >> he said nobody would ever do it if not for a criminal purpose. those were his words. why would you ever destroy documents? remember, there were rallies that said lock her up. lock her up. where are all the protest...

Sides, and i respect that viewpoint. but the other argument is if you impose the sanctions now, you're essentially saying we know you're going to invade, these are the sanctions. and at that point, putin doesn't face any... the costs are already imposed. why not do the invasion? that is the opposite argument. you hold that cost out as an incentive not to invade. if you impose the cost before he invades, well, then, why wouldn't he just go ahead and do it since he's already bearing the cost? clearly not the view in the presidential palace in kyiv. president zelensky, in his interview with chris...

Yesterday, if he's going at ukraine, why wouldn't he involve the ballotbaltics? >> yeah, a big deterrent the nato alliance that would argue -- this is the argument essentially against using nato forces inside of ukraine at this point. because some would argue that's actually what putin wants. he wants to trigger that bigger war. if his goal is to change the geopolitical situation in europe, that would be the way to do it. >> so, one of the things you've been saying to me as we watch the russians get closer in some cases occupying cities here. very close here, surrounding kyiv. you said this co...

About the structure of what's taking place here and we can do better than this, americans deserve it, the ukrainian people deserve it as well and i think president zelenskyy spoke to that very nicely today. >> sean: why, when poland wanted to give the migs to ukraine, the person that vetoed that idea was joe biden. it went right to him. why wouldn't he say to poland do whatever you think is right? >> hard to explain, sean, why he would take the posture that a european country wanted to provide weapon systems that probe long to that country to give to their european friend and partner, the ukra...

Party and republican politics writ largech. >> josh, i'm sure, like, you know, running for re-election every two years must be a pain. there's no doubt about that. it can get extremely exhausting and tedious, but does nunes really think running a digital media startup for trump is actually going to be more stable line of work for him given the fact that trump as eugene was mentioning is -- when it comes to loyalty, it's just one way for him? >> yeah. i mean, i think a lot of the republican party is kind of an m.c. hands of grifting, each one of them grifting for the other. so he's just trying ...