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Had, which is a tricky debate. where else has he shown hostility towards religion? >> well, we actually -- there's been a similar case going on with the eoc. a catholic university was forced to participate in contraception kovrm for their employees. you had the national labor board that ruled that xavier university was not catholic enough. we have seen reverend graham disinvite disinvited to the pentagon. >> i wouldn't ib violent him either. franklin graham is a disgrace. i don't think he's the typical christian minister, do you? with his comments on islam and his comments of partisanship? >> ...