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Understand. but more importantly, he has to just give something. meaning, he's going to have to admit that he's had his fill of alcohol. he's had those moments as a teenager. that he was doing what most teenagers do and they party and they drink. but that he has never taken that alcohol and attacked someone. so he's going to have to make that very clear. but to say that he's not going to answer these questions and it's a pretty much act like he is a choir boy is not going to be in his best interest. >> interesting. elizabeth, when clarence thomas received after anita hill, his straj strategy i...

And 55% think it is appropriate or rather inappropriate, for an administration official to work against the agenda of the president. this afternoon, white house staffers cleaned off the press secretary's forum before sarah sanders held the first briefing in nearly three weeks. 19 days. sanders this afternoon doubling down on the president's request that department of justice investigate who wrote the anonymous op-ed. and wouldn't rule out the possibility the president potentially suing bob woodward over his new book. let's go right now to the panel. let's start with these numbers here. dave ur...

Lawyer in the russia probe told the new york news when the whole thing is over things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons. with a phone conversation, giuliani seemed to walk that back but he wouldn't rule out the possibility. let ees bring in the panel. the "new york times" reports that manafort feels betrayed and that he believes mueller as team is using business partners to pressure him to flip on the president and this list of charges is getting longer. how dou you expect him to helol up? >> there are few ramifications. one, he was placed in the jail about 70 to 80 miles from the...

Russian investigation on his mind which is now a statement that could murt him down the line. >> tom, where are you on this? >> i wouldn't rule out the possibility that the president testifies. i think it's true that in the ordinary criminal case you typically would not let your client testify before a prosecutor. but this is not an ordinary case. and the fact is the president has vokely said that he looks forward to talk with mule, her wants to do it. although they have a lot of hurdles to get over, i wouldn't rule out the possibility that the president one day sits down with mueller. >> you ...

Fraud, they're both charged with it. but it's for manafort's bank fraud charges that continued up and through last year. you referenced those loans. >> let's put that on the screen so that we can digest. here you have april 2016 to january 2017 when mana ford worked on the trump campaign and gates on the transition. >> there are a couple of things to me that are worth mentioning. this is turning the screws on manafort perhaps more than gates. because there's no additional money that's going to gaelt thatthat e that that's -- to gates that is manafort's money. i wouldn't rule out the possibilit...