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Crowds everywhere. it's a testament to how much his star has faded and how much he has been disgraced regardless of the outcome of this trial during the past years so that this is where we are now again, it's just an incredible -- it's just an incredible fall from grace, and it's something that, again, remember it was rumored for years and years that r. kelly was allegedly up to no good, had a lot of relationships with young, underage girls. it was an open thing that was out there that trailed him everywhere prosecutors have been going after him literally for decades. there was a trial back in...

What a complicated case this was. can you talk about that for people who aren't as averse to this >> sure. on one side you have r. kelly standing with criminal charges of racketeering. racketeering basically involves an enterprise, a group of individuals who enabled r. kelly. this can be very difficult for nonlegal minds to understand how such a crime, which involves a number of people, but yet they're only looking at the criminal intent of just one, and that's r. kelly. but, really, once you break it down, and i think the prosecutor did so beautifully in her close argument, you break it down ...

Sides, even, in this case if you talk about the democrat progressives, moderates and republicans particularly on the senate side. so the president is involved, but the indication that white house officials have given is that they see him playing the role as sort of honest broker. lee ann talks about that trust deficit on all sides the white house hopes to position the president as someone who can fill that void in that trust gap that can bring these parties together after a few months of stalemate here the white house has been taking a white house approach through august, and part of that was ...

You. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i have to share this with you, with kristen and ron we have now learned that r. kelly has been found guilty on all nine counts that he faced. so r. kelly guilty on nine counts, including that racketeering charge. sentencing will be on may 4th. that is the latest from the courthouse that you're looking at in brooklyn we know that the next phase of this sentencing will happen now, months from now. as suspected, guilty on all those counts let's see if anybody stops to take any questions here. can we dip in and listen just in case we are going to stick around a...

Comprehensive case that took the prosecutor three hours to sum up, there was so much evidence i would agree with what you now have been hearing. this is a pretty short verdict for such a comprehensive case with so many victims and so much evidence at first i'll tell you, honestly, we've had some interesting notes from the jury that's come in in the last nine hours, and i was beginning to kind of wonder a little bit about that but now it seems like this is a quick verdict to me for such a complicated case and i feel pretty good about it. >> i think ron allen is still with us. ron, another big n...