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The tough fighter, and if obama doesn't show democrats he can be a tough fighter against the republican attack machine so called but in fact it is, then, you know, democrats are going to pull back from him. >> subpar performance in the debate by senator obama and a great performance by senator clinton. >> i think they saw john mccain is the tough guy and barack obama is the cerebral guy. >> he seemed to lose control. >> john mccain clearly won this battle on points. >> so this is it every time. i actually thought that he was during the primary a subpar debater. in fact, debate after debate in ...