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And paying more in taxes, so you look at it die namically, and with that, i think we'll actually bring more money in the federal coffers than last. >> which loopholes do you think need to be eliminated and how much will that snaif. >> -- save? >> that's a wide debate, and there are a couple that makes people's hair stands up, like mortgage reductions and chartable reductions. those we want to keep around. but we can start looking at a lot of other deductions, but the tax deductions is 4,070 pages long. there are a lot to cut business taxes out. there are thousands of them. we have to start wit...

For years and you said you paid state and employee and real estate and property taxes. did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying taxes? >> of course i do. and so do all of her donors. i know many of her donors. they take massive write offs. a lot lot of my write off was depreciation and she always allowed this. the people that give her all this money won it. i understand the tax code better than anyone and it's complex. hillary clinton has friends that want the provisions. that's very important to wall street people and they want the carried interest provision and it's interesting why...

And education is wrong. we want to make sure no corporation and no individual can get away without paying his fair share for our country. >> i want to give the chance to response. the last month, taxes were the number one issue on facebook for the first time. the "new york times" published your tax returns and show you claimed a loss which means you could have avoided paying income taxes for years and you said you paid state and employee and real estate and property taxes. did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying taxes? >> of course i do. and so do all of her donors. i know many of h...

Time. he's decompensating. you know, other people compensate for their issues, and problems, and do well. donald is in the point of decompensating. but it resonates with 30% to 40% of the public that has always liked him. his poll numbers in the '80s were 40%. >> huh. >> and he's gonna stay right there. >> tim what moments jumped out at you last night? >> when he said he was willing to use the department of justice to attack a political opponent. he threatened hillary clinton with that. he admitted that he used the massive write-offs in 1995 so he could not pay taxes. but you know, he's entitl...

Going for it and like our chuck todd said earlier, this is something he predicts that joe biden might regret. >> i don't think so off the top of my head. i actually never thought that the vice president was going to get into the race. i said that many times so i'm not predicting it after the fact. and i think part of that had to do with the fact that there really isn't a tremendous amount of policy space between him and hillary clinton. he's another establishment candidate which distinguishes him from, say, bernie sanders and as you heard today, he got fairly policy wonky and talked about coll...