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The senator has talked about this but it is not a point of passion for him. i'm not saying he doesn't care about the border. i'm saying in the debate, he will have an opportunity to talk about how big a deal it is. what do you think he will say about what the border will be under his watch if he is elected? >> chris, it is a point of passion for the senator. the senator sent out emails to his lists to push back on the raids that president trump wanted to do. >> true. >> one of the biggest lists of any democratic candidate, period. so the senator cares about this because this is a humanitarian ...

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That's where i'm -- i have also been confused about the democratic budget proposal, you hear rhetorically secretary geithner talks about how he believes in lowering rates and branding the tax base and that was close to what the agreement could have been had a grand bargain been struck and the president came out and said we are going to tax reform, here are the rates for now, how you are going to deal with this, here is the tax reform but here are the rates for now? >> we support tax reform but it needs to generate at least as much revenue as you would if you allowed the rates to go back up for...

This >> yet it is likely santorum wins tomorrow. >> yeah. >> this is not exactly a triumphant march to finishing off the ray you go back and by the way, the base of the party's still not fired up about you. >> we have talked about this throughout the week, if you look at it from santorum's point of view, he is not expanding his demographic base of support and it is actually small strip of land but he has got a compelling argument, he said let's go with a movement conservative what this party needs, what the country needs, as opposed to a guy how don't really trust. a lot of republican reasons ...

Impossible for the republicans to say their budget is anywhere like simpson boles because simpson boles is a balanced framework. the whole idea it has cut bus it also has revenue. >> why won't somebody just say, fine, i'm gale golden gate to take all of simpson boles, let's go. what is wrong with simpson boils won't adopt the whole thing? >> there's some -- simpson boles has whole lot of specific proposals in it. some are troubling. i don't like the exact way we do social security, for example. the republicans don't do that piece in their budget what they do do in their budget goes way beyond ...