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Thanks for joining us from michigan. >> thank you. and let's make a deal. can president obama and the speaker get it done? we'll ask our experts coming up next. plus, the latest intelligence on syria's chemical weapons stockpile from defense secretary leon panetta who flew to kuwait today. you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8. or...try kids boxes! could've had a v8. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! it doesn't matter whic...

Society? >> the costs are immense. i mean, first of all, you have the economic costs. this is tens of billions that we spend that are just thrown into a hole in the ground because people like to say this is a business. that part of the reason the prison industrial complex can sort of call the shots here is that it's such a look ravsh business. well, jobs do depend on it, and, yes, it is a business in the sense that i casino is a business, but it's not a business in the sense that it makes a product. it doesn't move the country forward. all we're doing is incarcerating poor people in this count...

Reflected about the concern going forward of how this is perceived by the public, more importantly, and how it plays out politically for republicans, as you know. the legislature elects every two years, so there's, you know, some concern about the control you have today you may lose tomorrow if this is not smartly addressed, and i think what the governor says in fraeming the arguments going forward to the people of michigan, putting in context both the economic and the political consequences of his decision to suddenly do this because this did come out of left field. he i don't think anyone ex...

Now, and so we must -- it's a struggle between the right to organize. more union states rights. i have convinced workers must stand up because unless they fight back in a big way, michigan will metastacize. >> of course, their argument is this is good for business and good for workers because there will be more jobs than indiana has gained jobs and gained businesses by taking this route. i just want to give you a chance to respond. >> that's bologne. epi just came out with a study today, and there's been a lot of studies done in oklahoma. right to work does not help new businesses come in. rig...

Guards. mike carpenter was one of the prison guards interviewed. let's look at this clip. >> we made drugs into this huge thing, and we've made it so illegal and we've made it such a marshall issue with that tough on crime stance, you can't electriced if you don't do things to be tough on crime. >> toughen sentences, beef up law enforcement, and build new prison space for 24,000 inmates. >> you know, nobody can apoured to be the first guy to say, wait a minute, we can't afford what we're doing. let's do something different because if you even made a noise like you were going to be soft on crim...