2024. this is not about opec or opec plus, just the saudis pushing this. brent is the world contract, that is up. wti, west texas intermeediat is up 2%. going into the summer driving san, this is the move from the saudis you don't want to see, this will impact americans as they hit the road. i believe summer is underway. this is the problem. not just gasoline, think about jet fuel and nat gas prices, those are higher. this is a big problem from the saudis. >> todd: i'm no expert, i believe the answer is under our feet. i believe we could drill, joe biden doesn't want to do that.