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People sort of hoarding cash and not taking risk and slowing down, all of those things that you social with with a recession and now, forget about the-- >> and spending is like the highest it's been in a year. >> because it's been so depressed, it had a springback. what you're seeing, at that point at the margin people are not saying, yeah, i'm going to take that extra leap and buy the extra thing and doing the reverse, and that's what we're seeing, and you know, i'm not going to go off on the housing we need to bail people out of their house, but it's going to a take a long time. no one shoul...

Century. we should have a simple yard stick. is every child in america getting what they need so they can lead a full life and what do we have to do not to change it in 20 years but to change it fast enough to save the future of every child in america. thank you. good luck. >> interesting. newt forgot to tell us that there were no role models because there was a thousand parents sitting out in the audience. he forgot to tell us that really what we needed to do was demand jobs, not food stamps. he forgot to tell us to make those young people in those schools that he said he commended and suppor...

Yemen that the forces of the president there used sniper fire to kill somewhere between 45 and 50 people, shooting them in the neck and head, and wounding about 200. now if they did that the in tehran, wouldn't there be cries for american intervention to stop this horrible massacre? >> the only argument, joe, for libya is we did it because it was possible. but if it's not possible to get rid of gadhafi or to help the rebellion make sure it held on to benghazi or some of the other cities, then what's the yard stick here? is it humanitarian? in which case why were we in darfur or helping in the ...

Throughout the summer, t.j., going into november. it's not like the 2010 elections weren't going to be epic, because it will be seen as a yard stick on president obama's presidency. now we have a supreme court vacationancy and these real conservative interest groups to raise money to run tv ads and for them it's about trying to take back congress. >> our jeffrey toobin, jeffrey is still on the line with us as well talking about john paul stevens, soon to be a 90-year-old member of the liberal wing of the supreme court saying he's going to step down by the summer. jeffrey, we know these -- it s...

Of the middleman. the insurance company. >> exactly. >> what do you mean? >> we should be paying for everyday health expenses out of pocket and the costs could be lower and the doctors would be held accountable for the patients rather than the insurance company. instead, the idea is to use tax dollars to pay insurance companies more money. that's the conservative answer. i'm sorry. no. $15 billion a year? a year. exactly. >> four years. >> the american people don't think we believe that we're going to get the straight talk from anybody. people like to use the cbo numbers. who are those guys? >...