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This idea which is not winning votes for democrats. it's about addition, not subextraction. >> but my bigger issue with that is this, which is a more practical concern. let's say you're elected the democratic president. you have a democratic house and democratic senate, which itself is maybe a 15% chance, somewhere in there, probably lower, 10%. if you move anything on immigration, it's going to be comprehensive immigration reform. >> right. >> then there is going to be some details, and maybe one tv fights over that is if you decriminalize. but that is down the list of a big comprehensive pac...

Votes for democrats. it's about addition, not subextraction. >> but my bigger issue with that is this, which is a more practical concern. let's say you're elected the democratic president. you have a democratic house and democratic senate, which itself is maybe a 15% chance, somewhere in there, probably lower, 10%. if you move anything on immigration, it's going to be comprehensive immigration reform. >> right. >> then there is going to be some details, and maybe one tv fights over that is if you decriminalize. but that is down the list of a big comprehensive package. so when you're actually t...

Elements. >> brett: you're saying if you decriminalize, you take that away, it draws more people in? >> it may incentivize people to enter in places other than ports of entry. the ports of entry are the legal avenues to enter the country. you are getting these vulnerable populations out of these situations where they are in the middle of deserts, crossing dangerous rivers and they are now traveling among the very dangerous criminal elements. if drug smugglers, gang members and the like, it's something i would caution anyone against. >> brett: deputy commissioner of u.s. customs and border prot...

It matters if our law says we will lock people up who come here seeking refuge, who come here seeking asylum. that is not crime and as americans, what we need do is have a sane system that keeps us safe at the border but does not criminalize the activity off a mother fleeing -- >> congressman ryan, are sanders proposals going to incentivize undocumented imdprn undocumented immigrants to come here illegally? >> you should at least ring the door bell. i saw the kids in grand rapids. it is shameful what's happening but donald trump is doing it and even if you decriminalize, which we should not do...

Addicted. the vast majority of us who use drugs don't have a problem with drugs. that's one thing. another thing is that the vast amount of money that we're spending on controlling these drugs and the damage that the drug control has caused to these communities, the social injustices, all of these things lead me to say we should decriminalize all drugs. but if you decriminalize, you must also have a corresponding amount of education about how to use these drugs appropriately. i think treatment's okay. we've had a lot of advocates including yourself who advocates vociferously for treatment. the...