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The principle whether north korea or iran or any other potential nuclear adversary that it's trust but verify. and in these two cases, we usually put verify before the trust. because we knew these regimes would and could potentially be up to no good. but clearly in the case of north korea, we weren't able to dissuade them from moving forward with a nuclear program. and that is why especially in the second bush administration and certainly in the obama administration, there were a number of u.n. security council sanctions against thoek with the support of the permanent five members of the secur...

You saw after september 11th with soaring approval numbers, people rallying around the flag. i think people who disapprove of this president are inclined to think that he will handle a cry ci crisis badly and not trust in whatever he's doing. so i think that limits his options. and that might be a good thing because as was discussed, all the military options are unattractive. and the reason i'm not totally losing my mind about this, people talk about kim jong-un as though he were crazy, but a lot of his behavior has been pretty rational looking to me including the nuclear program itself. what ...

Those on this panel who say he's an irrational actor. the general made a very important point that when we talk about north korea, we also cannot tune out the historical lessons of the iraq war. the lesson that kim jong un and before him his father learned with that invasion, was that in order to preempt u.s. aggression, you have to first have a nuclear program. if you are on the road or in the case of iraq, not even on the road, but potentially according to u.s. intelligence on the road to a nuclear program, you are susceptible, you are liable, in great danger. once north korea crossed that t...

Attempts is the ability to put a u.n. sanctions regime in the context of a broader strategy. something that brings the north koreans to the table, preferably in the context of a multilateral setting like the six party setting that has been used in this case that will bring the north koreans to the table to actually speak about their into you c nuclear program. they would be eager to come to the table to talk about sanctions or restrictions on joints military exercises between the united states and south korea for example, but they have never been eager to talk about their nuclear program. so t...

Allies diplomatically and in addition to crafting u.n. security council resolutions and shoring inpotentially wobbly allies. we need to use other tools at our disposal to see to it that we can at least slow down the progress of north korea's program. >> general, the economic sanctions again as we've mentioned, there was that unanimous vote of the security council to levy yet another round of sanctions at north korea. how effective have those sanctions been? it would seem that one could argue that the sanctions really haven't been that effective if this is where we are now. >> i think that is t...