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The collapse of the regime which would lead to a south korean and u.s. expansion of our domain and move us closer to china's border. and so they don't like that option. and they don't want warfare, but they would like the united states to leave the korean peninsula. so they are like a guy with a skeleton key jiggling the key in the lock trying to make the lock turn. they have pressure on the united states, pressure on north korea, there is a risk of war, they have their troops mobilized, they are ready to to go into north korea if possible with their troops that are next to the border. and the...

Those on this panel who say he's an irrational actor. the general made a very important point that when we talk about north korea, we also cannot tune out the historical lessons of the iraq war. the lesson that kim jong un and before him his father learned with that invasion, was that in order to preempt u.s. aggression, you have to first have a nuclear program. if you are on the road or in the case of iraq, not even on the road, but potentially according to u.s. intelligence on the road to a nuclear program, you are susceptible, you are liable, in great danger. once north korea crossed that t...

Intercontinental ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead on that missile, but that this may be a ratcheting up of the situation that could lead to a very, very difficult and tense standoff and possibly a war. now, if that happened, and we've been talking about this in the past few days, it's very difficult to see how it ends. and keep in mind, just for example that there are almost 30,000 u.s. service men and women in the korean peninsula, so there are many u.s. men and women, that is not including the u.s. nationals who aren't in the services in that region. and vulnerable to a possible conf...

Yes, we could try to prevent other countries from getting nuclear weapons. but north korea has nuclear weapons. >> ken, to be clear, in terms of next steps, now that they have miniature rise eized this nucle warhead is the next step perfecting the technology that would allow reentry? >> it's not clear that they have actually tested this minl ch miniaturized warhead, so there are many other technological steps before they get to the point where they have a reliable icbm nuclear missile. so it does give the trump administration some time to deal with this problem. but to the general's point, it'...

All americans and they do not appreciate it. >> we spend a lot of time talking about presidential credibility and it's instances like this where it's paramount. you raise an interesting point about mutual assured destruction being somewhat rational. but the fact that we have a regime that has spent the better part of the last few decades starving hits own people, that s not rational. >> soviets did all sorts of terrible things to their people too and we were still able to maintain stability with them for decades. obviously it's an evil regime. but that doesn't -- just because the regime has ba...