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So realistically we're already starting to see a top four, top five kind of shake out. but for senator sanders, he really needs to differentiate himself. he has been dropping in the polls while senator warren has been rising, and i think that she's taking a lot of the same supporters he's had historically. so we'll have to see whether they can show a differentiation and who can win over a lot of those white working class voters especially in the industrial midwest. leland: all right. we put up a fight card for the second night and, zack, to your point in terms of top tear candidates there, it'...

Leland: wait, is it really fair to say biden's numbers are cratering? >> i think after that first debate he fell about 10% among primary voters, so whether that translates into a general election weakness, we'll see. biden's strength in the base is a lot of democrats still consider themselves to be moderate, at least politically moderate, semi-left. but now that the party has moved hard left because, really, these 22 people on the debate stage are not the face of the democratic. the four referred to as the squad, they are, and they're defining the debate. the these democrats are -- [inaudible ...

This is democrat-on-democrat violence, leland. and i think what you're seeing here is an entire movement on the democratic party that's not about ideas, not about what's good for the country or the economy. they're trying to attack the president as the spawn of hell. don't work for that guy, he's a bad guy. then they fight with each other. i'm hoping the debate will be about actual issues, but i'm not holding -- leland: in fairness, there were a lot of issues, the idea that almost everybody on the stage was willing to give free health care to immigrants and others. we'll put up the debate card...

Bullying, his utter disregard for people's lives is literally tearing the soul out of who we are. >> reporter: and for indiana mayor pete buttigieg, he will campaign at the naacp convention in detroit later today. a presidential forum slated there on wednesday. kristin? kristin: christina coleman, thank you. leland: with that, we bring in kim principle, democratic strategist, former obama campaign spokesman, they're on the wrong side of the screens, but you'll figure out pretty much soon where josh and zack stand. josh, to you first, every one of these candidates -- a la the cory booker sound ...

Matter what position any democrat takes, they're going to be defined a certain way specifically, probably as a socialist by the president -- leland: we know that's the game plan, for sure. >> yeah, i get it. josh at least raises a fair point which is to say the majority of democratic primary voters do self-identify as moderate or conservative, so you have to recognize you can't simply go out and continue to run to left and expect to win some of not just the general election voters over, but some of the primary voters over. i think vice president biden and even mayor buttigieg have a unique lan...