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Kinds of ways, starting post 9/11, cvp, work force has gone up, spending has gone up. you say you don't think any of that has been good for the country? >> it's perverse. the response to legitimate concerns and problems. international terrorism orchestrated by al qaeda, carried out by people from saudi arabia, we punish people from mexico, deport 400,000 mexican nationals from a response to 9/11. wall off 600 miles of the u.s./mx co border precisely zero terrirists or terririst organizations have used the border to attack a sidge american. so we do this whether it's the war on terrier, the war...

Mexico, deport 400,000 mexican nationals from a response to 9/11. wall off 600 miles of the u.s./mx co border precisely zero terrirists or terririst organizations have used the border to attack a sidge american. so we do this whether it's the war on terrier, the war on drugs. we project our fears and anxieties el paso and punish the people who love here. there's no reason to do that. but it is the fear and the ang zu zity that is stoked by people who frankly should know better. >> father of three. hope you have valentine's day plans >> i do. we're going to see willy nelson. >> the site of what...