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Brought up the affordable care act a lot. i had written before that it should probably be called reid care, not obamacare, and i think the former president would probably acknowledge that it never would have happened except for the legislative -- and i don't think it's an exaggeration -- genius of harry reid. whatever else you thought of him, he was able to essentially legally bribe a couple of his colleagues to come across at the last moment to get that done. he basically told the president's team just leave this part to me. i'll get it done for you. and he did, and i think it was his proudes...

>> i have to tell you, chris, up until very, very recently, and i mean just the last month or so, maybe, harry reid was as plugged in as he was when he was a just senator, or as much as he could be. indeed, during the couple dozen zoom interviews i did with him for the book, senators and former senators called harry reid and he would let me listen in to the conversations. i, of course, asked him about that frustration, but one thing he never did was speak ill of his former colleagues and how they were handling things. i think there are people who believe that harry reid would have been a diffe...

>> and, listen, two things. one, make sure you back up the hard drive on that computer because we are going to want to see every minute of those 24 zoom interviews you did with him because there is a lot of insight in those interviews, i'm sure. but i'm curious to get your thoughts on this, jon. when you look back at whether the way he changed or impacted the filibuster, his ability to pass the affordable healthcare, the obamacare bill, whether or not his views are, doing away with the filibuster right now, that he wrote about in september of this year. what do you think harry reid's legacy wi...

>> of course. and doing a series of interviews, 24 in all, zoom interviews with the senator which faiz would find hard to believe he actually sat for, we talked a lot about that, and how that's an essential part of his legacy. he has no regrets. he says he had to do it to save obama's presidency because of what the republicans were doing to obstruct the president's confirmation of judges and other legislative things. and so he has absolutely no regrets. he was really angry during some of these interviews, jonathan, about some of the democratic senators today saying what they're saying, essenti...

Party for many, many years. >> and listen. two things. one, make sure you back up the harddrive on that computer because we are going to want to see every minute of those 24 zoom interviews you did with him because there is a lot of insight in those interview, i'm sure. but i am curious to get your thoughts, john, on this. when you look back at whether -- the way he changed or impacted the filibuster, his ability to pass the obama care bill. whether or not his views og doon away with the filibuster now that he wrote about as recently as september of this year, what do you think harry reid's le...