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That amazing ability of his to take criticism and to see the importance of criticism, of cartooning, of good journalism in the country. and that puts him head and shoulders above most politicians, most statesmen. let's talk now about your relationship with more recent south african leaders, and in particular, i want to focus onjacob zuma, cos it's one thing to draw a leader with a slipping halo. your treatment of zuma was on a different scale. and most people in south africa will think of your characterisation of zuma with a showerhead coming out of the top of his head. it became a huge thing ...

Which is a very strange and interesting version of events. but that's what he saw i was doing. but i wonder whether you were given more pause for thought not by the fact that zuma was infuriated and took you through the legal system, but many other south africans were infuriated — not least women in south africa who basically said, how dare you, as a man, particularly as a white man, use rape as a symbol, a metaphor in what, in the end, is a cartoon, when the reality for south african women, particularly black south african women, is of a crime of rape, which is endemic in this country. how ...

That they are being homophobic, or they're controlling, trying to control women's reproductive rights or any of those things, or being politically reactionary, and i'm afraid it happens in all of these religions. so, in a sense, you wanted to make a stand by drawing the prophet mohammed. i wonder whether it was worth it because of course the police then said they uncovered a plot to kill you. it never reached a courtroom, but they said there was a plot out there. you've certainly received death threats alongside all of the legal battles with zuma and everything else. have you reached a point i...

And he went through a trial. under cross examination, he admitted that he actually knew that the person he had supposedly had this consensual sex with was hiv—positive. and then they said to him, "so did you use protection?" no, he didn't. why not? because he thought he didn't have much chance of infection. now, jacob zuma had been the head of the national aids council when he was deputy president, so this was really absurd. and then it went further. they said, "what did you do next after this supposedly consensual sex? " "i had a shower." why? to lessen his chance of infection. so the showe...

But that is yourjob." and for me, thatjust personified that amazing ability of his to take criticism and to see the importance of criticism, of cartooning, of good journalism in the country. and that puts him head and shoulders above most politicians, most statesmen. let's talk now about your relationship with more recent south african leaders. in particular, i want to focus onjacob zuma. and in particular, i want to focus onjacob zuma, cos it's one thing to draw a leader with a slipping halo. your treatment of zuma was on a different scale. and most people in south africa will think of your c...