New delhi is one of the lead most polluted cities in the world in fact the small base so bad that doctors say breathing is the equivalent to smoking up to fifty cigarettes a day as marina hons explains. Here is what makes the smog so dangerous air quality is assessed by counting measure with a diameter of least than two point five micro meters were talking absolutely tiny here around thirty times finer than a human here so small it can only be detected with an electron microscope and small enough to get into your lungs and pass into the bloodstream causing heart and respect tree problems the year quality index puts the upper limit for good ear at no more than fifty and the highest and most hazardous level on their index is three hundred plus the count for delhi at times of the last few days has climbed to double that up past six hundred. So marina just explained there a really serious problem now the pollution in new delhi is incredibly dangerous and people are very angry there are social media campaigns there have been protests in the street and many indians both in new delhi and in other polluted cities say the government is not doing enough so how can a problem like this be tackled and whats it like to live with this pollution every day joining us to discuss this other mater of childfree is an executive director at the center for science and environment from amritsar shiva vishnu is an independent journalist cinelli that here is our campaign at Greenpeace India and jyoti panday leva cari cofounded the citizen run organization cafe yes thanks so much for being here i want to build up a picture of what its like to live in new delhi northern india right now she even you took a picture while you were driving thank you for that lets show everybody that picture i did. My before last and it was my go into my. Time. And suddenly there was that. Was near you. And that was not surprising at all it was not surprising that you know about this surprise fortunately yesterday really. And this mall that you see tonight that vision was completely clear just going to be clear with the its interesting im people definitely in delhi have been keeping track of what the weathers been like what the pollutions been like cobol says here please submit any images of videos you have a life as impacted by the horrific air pollution in delhi right now we show you some of these pictures so i scroll down here you can see the face mask and see the small the in the background. And i have no idea what this is but it looks pretty grim jyoti you measure your air all the time can you tell us what the air quality is like right now and how do you keep track of what its like. So the egg quality right now inside my house is hundred thirty one i dont know if you can see this but this is the laser that i use to measure the it want to delete back not about to supply me a little bit rather go back to that we consider twenty sings a two twenty eight that the twenty eight and it is actually much just as i stepped outside off my house my main floor i do use your acquired sotos in my house and i know a lot of people cant afford to use them so i feel really privileged and it will order these machines but i really also feel angry that i must be forced to use more and more devices. Ready to clean my own watcha i wash my own wash my own sinks and vegetables to get rid of chemical residue and now im supposed to be there to share that we might share what used the same smoke. In this city just because we live here or without ever having touched a cigarette in his entire life hes poor and so are the rest of us because the usual in this city is so bad that there is no we around it we have to leave thats not a choice i make and i am so langley that today my environment minister says this is lot of problem my Prime Minister the main science and mine that there is a Court Appointed body will the environment will loosen the control authority the head of that organization has also said this is an emergency it all into actually was wondering why we are trying to get schools shut down and all this just makes me angry and sad that im living ive chosen to live in this city which in which i can barely sleep now i feel like im suffocating the areas i can taste it it stings my eye. Yes and i can barely step out of my hole these are the things that i as a citizen essentially living i mean could you want to tell us from a violent point if you what is going on in engaging in the wintertime so that we actually can see the pollution social if i need to be right now so what is really important to understand is that what were experiencing right now this happens to be yo particularly doing when. You have a very close weather condition now this is a dual challenge that want never york whoosh the levels in the city are all the way to hard and then during winter when you have the still weather condition and thats exactly what happened these few days that the that you have absolutely and issues no wind inside the city to buoy to abate and temperature dropping and what we found that the seventh of november berthing twenty four hours we have seen rapid and pretty quick buildup of pollution shooting up to a level that was six to seven times higher than the standards now this is a phenomenon we know that happens during window and this particular window of this mall that has built up has is just shocking small that we have just experienced but lets understand that we know that this is going to happen if you bring down the question for nasa to ask is that this window going to be any different abhi prepared to bend the question now let me just ask you on a meta jyoti showed us how way of measuring the air quality as she was in the house what should it have right to have to clean as a whistle two hundred twenty six two hundred twenty eight what should it be inside your house. So what about inside the house but the quantity we do standard and the twenty four hour should be sixty by to grab a cubic meter they should set sixty or. Sixty six but mine is that we have hit in the city but as high as five hundred and will in fact m two point guard levels no more than three hundred which is considered to be the emergency level here so you can imagine what was happening so what we really need to understand is not that kind of a better condition the problem that you have is that gets trapped inside the city and when it gets trapped the pollution that is happening inside the city also get trapped and this is also the difficult part to be in jeopardy this is the time when. The city are also changing the crops so the whole problem of stubble burning that we have if the wind is in this direction because this is the same issue it not that small where it gets mixed with pollution and that also gets trapped very close to the ground level maybe close to a noise level and that hes a six let me let me just not to but yeah what do you do you want to look at the data show me how do i want to do that just held tight for a moment as i want to bring in some of our community as well this is mona dolling my family whereas mosse when i go out for walk have stopped going out all morning walks ive got Indoor Plants i call thing its a pool headache almost every day because of pollution and then tells us weve got polluted moss too if shes in advising in Health Hazards of pollution because in the short term people may respond differently over a long term at pollution exposure as a moments health has it scenario. What is this doing to india has anything to. And meet our duty as a lead to all mens and clearly that its not just kelly. Has been and yet in shes just not a National Health emergency need be ready and out of this or belly we are bleeding indeed hazardous levels and it is so has out of the side of seeing a person with moscow and people buying it. So. If you or. What are you pulling out of the country as well as new years of the people who are living in delhi its something which. Is people are living in stockton. Night which according to their dogs which it is from sort. Of have a little trouble hearing you are going to come i am going to say were having no trouble hearing youre going to try reconnect with us move on to something that your team mentioned a little bit earlier and this is indias minister of environment he said im not saying we shouldnt do anything about it everyone has to respond to what hes supposed to do but there is no need to spread panic among the people shiver youre a journalist youve been covering this story for quite some time is this a time to panic or not. Oh its beyond ballet yes absolutely and went into a situation beetroot had been pressing all and we didnt see bottles that should be the priority for politicians because this is affecting their Long Term Health the studies which show all the Health Studies which you know i was going with i would know more about. Candy its shortening our life spans it is causing millions of deaths in india off the top ten polluted cities in the world most of them are in india its not just delhi as we keep saying so it will be an environment minister says its not a panic situation what he intends to leave saying is dont blame me for doing nothing. And can i just add here or that this is the same environment and this twenty as it was that day the state Health Minister and lit the fan of opal smoking in Public Places and at that time he said that there was a key connection between smoking that was leaving in this one five and. This that and all current data as measured by the in two thousand and five and the same management says this is the modern watch and see situation well so just like to point out got monday goes give us the entry point five levels will. Watch whatever they say three hundred to five hundred but actually if i could be when we are looking at our laser x. Or up the measuring instruments or even privately such as those numbers are off the charts the day off to me those numbers were Thirteen Hundred levels and that is we are safe limits and i dont know how this data is being calibrated by the government or what is being done to it but frankly today as it is and i dont even trust that the office into pollution control board which is actually giving these numbers to me in addition to that the simple pollution control board has it says commissioned a study between small diligent run between the age of i think four and seventeen and they came out with the result that there is in almost shot of these children there is in reversible a lot of damage this is a report that was commissioned by the center it will be going to a ball and it lies buried somewhere in there other bureaucratic red tape that has not even been looked or acted upon and that is what makes me sad and im really. Pleased today by the indian pediatrics i think which says indian childrens loans are nowhere near much lower than the lawns and at the same age if you compare those long as they are in the engine. And again that is not something that they chose to do its that theyre really just poor air and as a parent i feel bad about it as a citizen like you know i read that Michael Jackson money is not going to be a this should be a National Mission this should be where our Prime Minister steps in and says this is a mission of National Importance and we need to set up an authority that can actually do care of this problem which is one of the building to ill health in a pantry people i dont see that happening and that really needs only and we have saying that the most pollution linked deaths occur in india we got those to a data point from twenty fifteen this is a a real emergency for northern india adam into right now there is an emergency plan in place what is happening and how is that money through to scheme out of pollution that youre seeing in northern india. So i think when i last looked at a two level one we know that the problem is that its growing and people are and are on because of the hussein and its very much a modern indian because like in modern india. And to the few look at the satellite pictures you will see very clearly that in northern india where because of the inclusion you pollution buildup is very hard but i think you know so going along the line of the night it took to the house to. Just think that there was a problem to looking at the ultimate you get to use what action and that has to be the bigger part of the conversation then just just beating on saying that theres a problem you know when its good that today people are not more people are talking about this not people are concerned about its on a major lets talk about this is not people and those that also motoring specific actions that have been happening. What are you saying it would be nice if she said this i think from rachel says taliban and i ask what is so missing in the handling air pollution in the entire country i think that the entire south asia must come together on this issue havent you seeing some action happening. So thats what im always going to doubt when its not because im an animal i think is going to diminish. What i meant that was what what the action part in the perspective so we so what i do you would like to see that this winter we are looking at the trauma different perspective because for the flush time in this country this region is starting with something called an emergency and i want to be example look to plants right now so now what about before even though he had this crisis. And did not have any. Like beijing has or like practices so this year starting from the fifteenth of october we have said measures we have week one of which is to ensure that you do shutting down the power plants not allowing diesel generator to sets in the city shutting down grid around the city and ben when these crazy c. B. S. Smaug built up a few days ago edition measures what started out which includes not allowing the trucks to come inside so im having this is very odd you think because you also have United States and you are saying the action excuse me for one moment but shivam no its not. I dont see. Well i think that you know the end when you see planned and with. All of the last december it was still got many months to fight after fight and a lot of youve got two cities there and pollution was rising by d. D. Was the one you know that im. After that it draws a lot. From then to seventeen november when it really beat the plants and ive got the government this covered. A lot of these are big legal steps step on the steps not only are people who say to me no ceiling. When the smoke started coming to our senior white. Thats right. Betty i mean if you can i cut i think. I remember the sheriff because we were watching live right now a new hundred pound law says instead situation reversible we spoke to a professor. And hes been doing research for an International Food policy Research Institute where researchers at peking university i woll of course china has been in the headlines about the pollution and. The impact and what china has been doing that might perhaps help india have a look. My recent research with colleagues is that if free and peking university find the strong evidence that people feel unhappy and the mentally ill suffer from malkuth the making of declining as a result of air pollution exposure in the past of five years the Chinese Government to beautiful very strong calling an interceptor electric car system and also in power e. P. A. To clean the environment in the national couse will print the address the patient house and go beyond that to address the population house to involve medical sectors such as a to the house sector in in addition to the ministry of house scenario china is no longer the most polluted area in the world but theyre still struggling with pollution but they are making some concrete steps how do you fill their interest in compared to china. Just on to the converted. Point is moving on to cleaning the only because theyre too systematic and complete uncertainty on the middle of the men when there are some steps winded and by the government i would like to lead the steps with government is taking in vieques into the high political levels where the grass. Was supposed to be recourse nerdy and then to planned other than the estimate the emergency plan so that one and adding on to what you dont and then doesnt seem to be serious action from the moment i would like to bring in these big polluters which are industries and from a power plant an emitter mention one power plant which has been turned down which isnt all planned and if its a symbolic thing. What happens to other power plants which are in three hundred kilometer radius at least of delhi and they have been polluting delhi a day and night to sixty five days a year there have been new instance standards in place by the Central Government by mr of environmental for the giving only two years time for all these big polluters to their corporate and reduce emissions from their power plants but today we are less than a month away from that deadline of two years which is on sunday some of the content and doesnt even seem to be a single power plant in the country which is. Rooted in last year and complaining under present to the new north and this is the seriousness we are seeing in terms of acting on reducing pollution levels this is definitely not. Quality and agreed there are limits and you are relieved from this National Health emergency yes we are moving but where are we moving and what are we moving on is definitely something to be asked and i hope this is not the same thing we know idea then you dont end up on a. I think thats a very important point and i think thats why we need to look at the Second Opportunity that is just now has gone who and that is the comprehensive action plan because the poor the Supreme Court has been very clear the set that the city cannot be on all the time so he does also direct to tickle the hints of action which is going to get kind of knives and will to live by the end of this week when i think of i didnt do quite short medium and long term measures for teaching of. India and the National Capital region with the way he had time line repeated you see whos supposed to be responsible. And once that does the grapnel swindled you but then that becomes directly want to under scrutiny with a Compliance Strategy and i think we should leave that manager but im going to give us a big about what you just painted i think its limited and it also. Has a way quite pacing in that it really is and then i just gave it up didnt want to me always why didnt they say theyll finish a sentence pulls. Not at all i was saying yes we have been speaking about gravel and we will build models to be implemented in delhi what what what is happening all across the country that something could be refueled and lead with people going about their lives the only barely beyond that and the bill didnt go guy in in leave people alone for the next until we met and we thought learning from playing along what what what. I mean the man i was truly living without a brain wont ever be any more tell how tight am i was that it dont pop up the country and it could only be limited to belize we are in that little time of them and thats our program of them to be in the metal at the beginning of this the magic time zone and coordinate the ring does he what do you want to. I wanted to add very quickly that firstly when you have an emergency you dont have a really good response to it you act instantly to ask who is us to punch in schools have not been shut down air quality is didnt see your explorer but the government is waiting for the rains to fans that there be a few days of sunshine in the can do the schools matches are happening ha marathons up the run so were all complicit its not just the government that is responsible there are corporates who should be practicing this was your responsibility to instead of that they are bringing they are sponsoring our runs and sports game and children are going up to play football matches might my son have a one match and i am a bit into all that is not how it should be done or kids should be stopping the sick to keep the city needs to shut down to show that there is a serious this is a big dent because we have the money we have the best raised we have been united Cultural Institute which can work on the crux of a burning bush we have started up india our Prime Minister keeps talking about making india how do you meet the lawyer when i dont even program in kelty and shiv ammeter and snell thank you so much for taking part in this program the conversation continues to hash out a story thats what everybody. 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