A palins palestinian reconciliation deal that was brokered by egypt the Argentine Navy is searching for a missing submarine with forty four sailors on board the other son one german built submarine was last in contact on wednesday those are the headlines from us here at aljazeera coming up next its inside story. On counting the cost venezuela in default as the oil rich country fails to pay its debt well look at what a messy financial and rattling could mean for starving people are lebanons economy is getting squeezed plus why zimbabweans are buying big corn counting the cost at this time on aljazeera. Dissolved by cambodias top court the Main Opposition Party is urging world powers to cut ties with longtime leader sent but china is standing firmly behind him so whats behind cambodias crackdown on the opposition this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im adrian for the sixty five year old one cent is one of the worlds longest serving leaders first taking office as Prime Minister of cambodia in one nine hundred eighty five Rights Groups say that hundreds of opposition figures Journalists Trade Union leaders and others have been killed in politically motivated attacks during his time in power Human Rights Watch says that none of the killings has been investigated credibly sends dominance was challenged in parliamentary elections in twenty thirteen when the newly formed Cambodian National rescue party nearly pulled off an upset but since then its leaders have either been jailed or gone into exile and now the Supreme Court has dissolved the party accepting the governments claim that it conspired with foreigners to stage a revolution this effectively allows the ruling party to run uncontested in next years polls well Prime Minister hun sen gave an address on state television saying the decision was necessary to maintain peace and political stability and china has expressed its support of the government we have a lot to get to with our guests in just a moment but first our report from iraq mcbride implant pain. The death of democracy thats what it says on the front page of the Phnom Penh Post but its the last major english language paper on the stands after the closure of a fellow publication the Cambodia Daily a couple of months ago all part of a general rollback of Civil Society that its claimed has been taking place here in recent times its also included according to Rights Groups curbs on the activities of some foreign n. G. O. S at the last election three Million People went out and voted for the opposition see an r. P. But you do well not to admit you were one of them under the current political climate. Did you support the syrian r. P. Thank you. That you oh i dont know about that. Because we just want to have a good living and the country and to develop. The see an r. P. Leadership has appealed to the International Community to intervene but while there has been condemnation from abroad its a very different International Community that saved cambodia from civil war twenty five years ago and set it on the path of democracy many would argue the United States is not the International Player it used to be and the investment from china that is changing the skyline of phnom penh tells you its the chinese that are now the biggest influence here and beijing certainly likes the way Prime Minister hun sen hes doing things with his emphasis on National Security and stability virtues that it approves of the country it calls rather cambodia. So lets bring in our guests for todays discussion from paris were joined by. Vice president of the opposition cambodia National Rescue party from beijing to go director of the China National association of international. That is from washington d. C. Were joined by hoss oakley makiya director of the European Center for International Political economy thank you all for being with us lets start with you you wrote in a newspaper article on friday that democracy was on trial this week in cambodia and that it lost as the Supreme Court decision sounded the death knell for democracy in cambodia it was a big blow for democracy in cambodia that is not a fatal blow because democracy in cambodia is a poor of huge poor of Democratic Forces in cambodia that includes the rural poor Civil Servants they used intellectuals the workers all of us we want change we are the forces that mr huhne sen wants to demolish and he cant because its in shrine and in the hearts and minds in the spirit of the cambodian people for change change without bloodshed change through three fair and Inclusive Elections all right so the Supreme Courts decision may not have been a knockout blow but what does it mean for next years elections. It is very clear that we can say from now from yesterday even before yesterday that mr hussein is manipulating is cutting off any chance for free and Fair Elections in two thousand and eighteen because mr unsent canst not stand any chance at all in two thousand and eighteen if the Opposition Party the Democratic Forces together for in two thousand and eighteen that. Very certain determined to keep Peace Movement of democrats in cambodia going for the sake of democracy for stability for our people because we do not want just one said who is a former commander we do not want to go back to genocide it was difficult as you saw from from our reports to us its a more what people think on the streets in cambodia given that the c. L. P. Enjoyed it a good deal of support at elections in the country how do its voters feel about whats happened what are the implications for the people of cambodia the Supreme Courts decision at this moment there would voters are keeping their votes for c. And r p the opposition cambodia yesterday the trial was. Supposed to be a public trial however you saw a blockades of police in civilian clothes as well forces that is all what mr han sent wants to say to me are people demolished. Their confidence and spread fear in up with people thats not going to happen we will continue and we will continue by saying again and again it is only through the release of mr. President did return of all of us including mr some nancy and a Civil Society independent media so that we can put democracy back on track it is not determined by anybody else but by Democratic Forces because we want cambodia to move forward and it can move forward but it has to be rule of law and the corruption and the deforestation and the forced evictions and so on so that we can be build cambodia and we can have it cannot make steady social stability and political stability that. Go in beijing which chinas view of what happened this week in cambodia. Well i think at the marcus is always a worthy goal for all the people in all the countries to pursue how to really get to democracy and how to promote democracy is a very important question for people in countries like cambodia to consider because there may be occasions where the pursuit of socalled democracy of me actually end up in loss of social stability which may bring back greater loss of wealth of stability of good wellbeing for the people in our income badia i was in cambodia earlier this year and i saw with my own eyes that there was a good rate of Economic Development people generally speaking were happy with the improvement in their Living Standards and i would say that the people at large desire stability and peace and more alternate development of their country and i think these are the major trends in. Boulder now of course in any country including especially countries like cambodia there may be you know social tensions and social problems and different ways to look at democracy and the pursuit of greater democracy for example all these things need to be sorted out by the people in that particular country china and commodious have excellent relations and china is very much committed to help compose dia maintain social stability and political stability so that people in that country which is a great friendly country to china can really pursue ok more peacefully more leisurely their pursuit of democracy victor well talk more about chinas relationship with cambodia in just a moment a come back to bear with me but both of our other guests on todays program are shaking their heads as you as you as you speak. What do you make of what you just heard. Of course we want stability of course Economic Growth of course were not saying no but we cant wait us say but not at a cost of human rights at a cost of a lot of other than for us National Resources and it cannot maintain this top pipe us the ability if mr quinn said its going to run in cambodia as a one party. System and still in say in is not has not been willing to reform the courts and the judiciary to do is no checks and balances look investments will also depend on. Its system that works that its not clear yet how long can this be maintained and now with the challenge of the opposition without free and Fair Elections and if they dont and very soon there will be sanctions from the western countries what is mr holmes and going to do about the jobs that will be lost in the government sector are also talking about seven hundred thousand workers in these factories constantly and in washington as a sort of interrupt you then well come back in just about that but what do you make of what youve heard so far it is true in a sense that chinas place of people to a role in this relationship because in the end the World Community even where there is a coherence between the e. U. And the United States well not that cheap actually much of a change of do they form a credit situation on the ground without actually Real Corporation from china and considering that what we heard now and also will be seen in the last twenty years is that there are very different lets say objectives in terms of what we want to achieve in cambodia and i think that the the extent that we can achieve for example through sanction and the aid from the e. U. And United States is going to be really limited if this is what we also learn for example in the situation the myanmar in the past and also in other areas where we had situations for example in the ukraine and on but so essentially until the situation between china and the come come bodi a change in either direction and the efforts will be at relatively limited i think to go i read somewhere that the charter accounts for twenty percent of Capital Spending in cambodia has worked pretty hard to develop a close relationship with cambodia why whats in it so they is is it that cambodia is china is rooted to building closer ties with with other nations. You know turn a comedy in relations go back for thousands of years and there are very deep records detail the records about how these two countries conducted friendly good neighborly relations with each other in more recent decades of course when the former king see arnold was forced into exile he was not or come by any other country but then he got huge work in china in the one nine hundred seventy s. It cetera saw in the says china back in the in the seventies and eighties came to come boldly as aid and helped the former king restore his rule in cambodia and one combo deal was occupied by for vietnam china came to the rescue of cambodia and china played an dispensable role in helping come be avoiding being. Assimilated into vietnam all these are for the record and the two countries have ever become very Close Friends comrades in arms as weak as an all weather friends as a result ramsay and the two countries stand very close there are major regional issues and International Issues of course china is the largest contributor in terms of foreign aid or Foreign Investment income badia and i would say kumble deers recent years Economic Development is very much thanks to very close cooperation with china and i think china is proposing major in the structure projects connectivity projects projects aimed at improving the Living Standards of the people improve their Health Standards improving the education standards its also making the government more transparent and more accountable to the people all these are very important measures and i think china fully respects the internal affairs of come. Moldea and if for example democratic elections will come up with results which are different from the allocation of power in cambodia today then thats fine china will accept that factor but before then i think i think chinas very firmly promoting more political and social stability in cambodia rather then intervening in cambodia Domestic Affairs by foreign powers therefore i think china believes resulting to asking for foreign powers to be involved in domestic and political decisions in cambodia ok maybe the wrong choice very brief answer if you wouldnt mind please how how then would china view any attempts to bring about targeted sanctions on cambodias leaders sanctions were not work as a general rule of principle and i think that china will have nothing to do with the socalled International Sanctions whatever sanctions that may come from any other country i think china will very much stick with its friendship and cooperation and partnership with cambodia and come to the rescue of cambodia again. Musard sure to what extent is the International Communitys response to whats happened previously in cambodia contributed to whats happening now we mentioned targeted sanctions there what do you think the International Community should do now. The International Community has waited for twenty five years for mr one cent of reform and given mr han said the chance. For Economic Growth and there has been Economic Growth but at the same time what we are losing we are losing defend amental values which is cambodia cannot move forward without democracy and mr consent needs to legitimacy from the western world and we have been a hands if we talk about Economic Growth how come we have close to two million cambodians working outside of cambodia as unskilled labor Migrant Workers in the neighboring countries like thailand so they are all its a number of issues that mr finn said will have to address and they are dont forget youth who represent seventy percent of this population in cambodia that are not going to wait when they can the see their parents losing their land being forced out of their land and they have to go sit in the un problem and at the lowest lowest gains for their parents they will have to say no we want change and thats how we the National Rescue party see an api continue to have to make gains and thats what we talk about then well press the change without interference from the rest of the will however the International Community including china we want it would in peace yes also agree. Yes ok but human rights as well ok. In washington the guess is that targeted sanctions work look would they make any difference what further steps if if the International Community decides to go down that road what further steps could it take to sanctions if china refuses to abide by them. Well let me put it this way i think that mr gallo is absolutely right in the sense that there is a strong economic relations with china but i think the slightly mistaken about the counterpart on the cambodian side is not necessarily with the cambodian economy but its actually with mr hoon sen and also the Peoples Party if you look at the cambodian economy as a whole if you look at the people it is mostly dependent on trade with europe about five billion of the cambodian export is actually going to europe thanks to the duty free and quota free iranians we have a range for the least developing countries and the cambodian has been one of the main beneficiary of that did arrangement and now if you look at that number i actually entails its actually in the quarter all the entire cambodian economy and if you look at key sectors for example like textiles most though they exported actually go to europe and so in that sense they are real economic link is between the europe and the cambodia so chinas trade was actually cambodia is relatively limited there are of course the financial things but these are primarily with the leadership of the Peoples Party and thats a very very different and they which is also one of the reason why if we would have asset freezes or visa bans for the leadership of cambodia it is very likely that they would have relatively limited effect size from the naming and shaming of the People Party Leadership including mr cent and the next step which is going to be the big and the Nuclear Option is actually trade sanctions and at that stage we will see that the entire economy will start to suffer ok well the European Union has warned that fundamental human rights should be respected to assure cambodias judy free access to the blocks markets e. U. Countries as we were hearing it accounted for around. Forty percent of cambodias exports last year mainly clothes the u. S. Give similar preference preferences for garments made in cambodia and bought thirty percent of its clothing exports last year but china is cambodias largest financial backer in terms of investment aid and soft loans as we were hearing how sickly. Then if the e. U. For instance were to push for sanctions from brussels would there be any pushback given that trade from other european nations or what about the u. S. Any appetite to impose sanctions against cambodia from from washington. Well both the u. S. Sanctions nowadays tend to go towards actions that are aimed at the leadership rather than the workers because what we have noticed in the last decade is that actually many out of credit leaders actually dont care about their workers they dont actually care about the people they dont care about the young so in other words if you are starting to enforce economic sanctions and actually revoking the stray preferences on the g s p United States and what we call the be a everything but arms were actually cambodia can export anything duty free and quota free to europe and practically also to the United States except armed it is going to find youre going to find yourself in a situation revoking the the trade preferences for the workers and the people rather than actually the leadership and as i said in a situation where on as a graphic a later doesnt actually care about its work or cant sustain itself for many years this is what happened in sri lanka and this is what i have in. Myanmar and therefore i think the immediate effect of this sanction is going to be mostly about diplomacy and also in terms of cambodia standing in the International Community and i think given that cambodia has already the oriented itself so close to china it keeps coming constantly blocking regionally nation for dialogue for example on the border disputes on behalf of china and these already voting almost as a proxy state in the for Example Organization like as c. N. It will be very difficult to achieve that naming and shaming because its in fact already there ok. You can see the. Call to sanctions and if they are implemented they merely push kemba a further into the arms of china. No were talking about target the extensions are step number one yes. In his cronies his families have assets outside of the United States money in china india United States in australia in france but not in china they get they are not going to have theyre not getting the education in china they get day getting to indication in the United States a son of mr and send went to west point so thats the point the legitimacy of the west the education from the west they are going when they have sick they dont go to china they go to single book they come to france they go to australia they dont go to china except the highest level but their children go to go shopping in the united United States in australia it will affect them thats the first step ok now were saying first step sync about it mr han said they still do this still time for us to talk about National Reconciliation among Campbell Jensen lets have a dialogue were not going all the way but step by step it might get to that china even china cannot help because as. Studies say show exports is to the west. Not to china. Is it economic so why. Is it in the west there im afraid were going to have to leave it where were out of time thank you to all of our guests on the program today. To go out and hustle. Thank you for watching dont forget you can see the program at any time just by visiting websites i was zero dot com for further discussion joined us at our Facebook Page at facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle at a. J. Inside story from me or the whole team here and thanks for watching ill see you again with. The new era in television news. It doesnt say that its tough to do things in secret that are i mean we had actual victims who had survived the torture detention and this was the cause of my arrest if you could. Just stay the fuck would you. Like this conviction that everyone has a deep reservoir im going to if you can give them the opportunity and wonderful things start to. Look at the actual distance theres at least twenty thousand for him to refugees who live here we badly need at this moment leadership and tell the truth but this was a total trump is going to be the next president. How they got. Back she finally canisters of gas subsidies i believe it to be if youre getting anywhere theres good record that. We actually have something that never happened before. Hyperfocus it or is it a listen when theyre on line we were in hurricane winds following almost like thirty six hours these are the things that you u. K. Has to address or if you join us on set im a member of a complex one but we struck up a relationship base is a dialogue tweet us with hostile a. J. Stream and one of their pitches might make the next show join the global conversation at this time on aljazeera i really felt liberated as a journalist i love going to the truth as i would thats what this job. Were living through a technological revolution but all the machines taking over if the piece of machinery goes wrong is there a train of litigation through which we can bring a legal system to bear Oxford University as professor of Machine Learning Steven Roberts talks to all dizzy of this time. Where ever you are
vimarsana.com © 2020. All Rights Reserved.