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Dozens of people injured in clashes between Israeli Security forces and palestinians of the al aqsa mosque compound plus. Im pretty sad knowing the island of oahu off the coast of my. People here say they are in desperate need of help and that they have been abandoned by the venezuelan government. Hello the weather pattern across much of europe not all sabbaticals across the south through the mediterranean but still the systems keep coming across much of the north. Seen some really vigorous storms some very strong winds a lot of damage reported across parts of the u. K. With trees down and also some areas under water as these rains really have been very heavy at times but very heavy rain throughout monday again across the u. K. That big storm system there on its way now through much risk on the neighbors he heads to the start of the work week and then youll see here a lot of the more thunderstorms in the forecast they could be strong at times as more warnings in place and again look at this very unsettled into Northern Front so keeping those temperatures low as well not slow time which is the cross and remain illegal 35. 00 celsius in book arrest us about 6 degrees above the average for this time of year but still very unsettled across the central areas and again pushing through much of poland into Western Areas of russia so so much is not too bad but it really does come with clouds pretty strong gusty winds and again some heavy amounts of rain and to the south across Northern Africa its dry mostly fine what you will notice is 10 which has noticed as hot as they have been so certainly on choose day a much more pleasant 35 in tunis and we should see about 25 degrees celsius in russia. If you were looking at this from the outside you would really wonder what was going or what what is this gross is a religion that they have an indepth exploration of global capitalism and our obsession with Economic Growth this is still the center of capitalism there is no limits i view myself as a capital artist we are trying to obey the world smaller and smaller we dont want to be set realistic in the world we would rather have a fantasy growing pains on aljazeera. Welcome back and remind at the top stories on aljazeera speaking exclusively to aljazeera pakistans foreign minister has accused the Indian Government of a fascist mentality over its revocation of kashmir autonomous status. Yemens interior minister says more than 400 Armored Vehicles from the United Arab Emirates be used in the past few days of fighting in aden southern separatists are now effectively in control of the port city of the internationally recognized government. Police in hong kong a fire tear gas at demonstrators on the 10th weekend of antigovernment protests. Dozens of worshippers have been injured after Israeli Police use stun grenades to disperse them from the al aqsa mosque compound in East Jerusalem the worshipers were marking the muslim holiday. When Security Forces also allowed in jewish groups have been demanding access to the sites how the force that reports from occupied East Jerusalem. Chaos and confrontation inside the compound on the 1st day is either allowed her. Usually normal. Islam is a bad access on muslim holidays but for a 2nd time this summer significant dates for jews and muslims have overlapped and for a 2nd time Israeli Security forces decided to allow in jewish groups having said they would only do so if they assess the security situation as favorable. Towards hoke or minimal thought if the extreme right wing government in the state is supporting the settlers to target the holy sites and to invade them in order to control and to judea zone they try continuously and repeatedly but we jerusalem people are resisting and we will fight on against these practices. Earlier on sunday tens of thousands of muslim worshippers had answered the call from the islamic walk the trust that operates the compound under your 40 of jordan to pray in and around other local mosques were ordered closed to maximize numbers the muslim officials aware that right wing jewish nationalists have been demanding access to the site known to jews as the temple mount on t. Shirt but of the day jews mourn tragedies in their history including the destruction of the 1st and 2nd temples perhaps the key question about todays events is why the Israeli Security forces decided to change their minds in the early part of the day i decided to ban on was them entry to the al aqsa mosque compound for fear of friction a change that position and friction ensued anyway a Police Spokesman said the situation changed after they dispersed muslim worshippers using stun grenades tear gas and rubber bullets he denied that was a tactic to clear the way for jewish groups saying Security Forces responded after chairs and stones were thrown at them there has been an increasingly vociferous movement on the religious right in israel for more access to the site a change to the status quo arrangements in force since the start of the Israeli Occupation in 1967 glick is a leading voice in that movement and i asked him whether the decision to allow access was a political one by a government that wants to satisfy right wing voters ahead of septembers aleck. Mr netanyahu last week told the police you do what you think is right im not going to get involved and if you say online that he did it for political reasons you are lying to your crowd it has nothing to do with the decision was made personally by the office of the police palestinians those see this as intensely political the senior p. L. O. Politician hamas row we accusing israel of recklessness and aggression designed to provoke religious and Political Tension this holy site is once again a flashpoint and a focal point in the conflict are a force that aljazeera occupied East Jerusalem carmel and supposing in a Runoff Election for a new president the latest opinion poll shows the center right counted as a 100 year met a ahead of the former 1st lady sons of taurus well this is jim arties 4th bid for the presidency whoever the new leader is is likely to face major challenges coping with a deal signed with the u. S. To turn quasi mala into a buffer zone to stem migration. There is john homans in neighboring mexico joins us live from the capital there so how close is this likely to be john is jim i tasted expected to win. I think it is probably likely to be quite close because sandra tortoise came out ahead after the 1st round of this but both of these candidates far from universally popular that might be something to do with the fact that between them theyve already run 5 times for the presidency so these are not new fresh voices its also perhaps a point to talk about someone else who isnt in this latest round and thats out donna the former attorney general of the country and she actually supported the Anti Corruption commission backed by the u. N. Which was doing quite impactful work in guatemala had hundreds of charges against the political and Business Elite and was supported by a majority of guatemalans but its been slowly dismantled and she was actually barred from running in the election she was a very popular candidate in the country i think that also runs into the fact that these elections are being seen with something less than whole hearted enthusiasm by guatemalans until now how do you think the issue of migration has actually affected this election this campaign. Well the migration deal that the outgoing president jimmy moralise signed with the u. S. A ministration which basically said migrants coming from honduras el salvador going through guatemala had to stop there and ask for asylum rather than going on to the u. S. Has been a point in this campaign both candidates have said that they really dont like that deal if it does get ratified which is not sure yet by the Guatemalan Congress then they will have probably repercussions that if they dont put it into place the trumpet ministration is already talked about things like terrorists but there are other things also that a worrying guatemalans for example about 60 percent of the countrys population lives in poverty this is a country with a lot of inequality this is a country also where almost a 1000000 children live in mt nutrition so there are other things in play here no home in life in mexico city thank you lets stay in south america because voters in knowledge and tina are taking part in the primary phase of a high stakes president ial race the vote on sunday is the 1st concrete measure of those to sentiment opinion polls are predicting a narrow margin between president moritz your machree and the main challenger a bow to us both candidates have made promises to improve our to tinas economy the 1st round president ial election will take place in october line out of white house artists and out of there is daniel swine a sedan ill just explain how important these primaries are. For the very fact that all the candidates all the kinds of the main parties are in place is really an endorsement of who those candidates will be ahead of the october elections much like guatemala the elections there there are very few fresh faces in these elections about this year machree the incumbent president our birth often and this was a former chief of staff in the government of nested. Why for widow now Cristina Fernandez to the former president is. Often and is his running mate a 3rd candidate to reward those busy of anya is a former finance minister a nest occasion is government so a real dearth of fresh faces in these elections although as you mentioned promising to do something about the economy inflation here is rampant are one of the highest in the world the country is in recession poverty is on the increase. Is much more of a business friendly president hasnt managed his critics say to deal with some of those major problems that the country is facing so this really endorsement of the elections in october with the markets waiting to see what the results will be before they respond and people we know getting some idea of what kind of government they may be choosing in 2 and a half months time here don you were already mentioned but how significant is former president Cristina Fernandez de kirchner in this contest. But shes standing as a Vice President but the question being asked is risky will she really be pulling the strings behind the door for now and is the same name but not related were told that they she is up to him in a way the big challenge for him is to prove that he is his own man that hes not being controlled by her hes making big claims to be able to do that but she is a big figure in argentina politics despite those corruption claims the charges against her she denies those obviously says its a Political Campaign against her shes been touring the country promoting holter biography they say shes not policing of campaigning politically very few people believe that but say a major figure in argentina polemic figure knowledge in time politics and she very much on the horizon here trying to keep a low profile but thats proving to be very difficult for daniel and when desirous thank you. Venezuelas president has called on his supporters to resist what he calls the u. S. President s racist government and a rally in caracas Nicolas Maduro also denounced the latest u. S. Sanctions against the latin american nation they were imposed this week and freezing all that as well and government assets in america the u. N. Human rights chief says the new sanctions will worsen the crisis the millions of people. Well meanwhile on the island of toss residents are struggling to survive with shortages of basic goods and Health Workers was described as a paradise the countrys economic crisis has left many living their own as little as a few cents a month to raise a boat travels to the island to meet families who are struggling to make ends meet. The island of toss in the lake of monaco a walk in northwest venezuela was once a tourist destination. Now its residents are struggling and so people like you are trying to help out we went with him to. Health her brother george to get it hes 33 hes autistic hes also undernourished this will be hes only meal today. I need help he has no bed to sleep we have no diapers his situation is getting worse every day nobody helps us hes been losing weight and we can barely feed our family and what complicates the situation even more is that you are going to has a problem hes thrilled but there are no doctors to diagnose him his source says there are many cases like his around the island and even though hes trying to lend a hand its not been easy. I dont have much great started to ask people to give me just one spoon of rice to feed them times are difficult for everyone nobody has much food to give away those who take care of their relatives with disabilities are suffering and cannot give much. His tools is also helping out at least 8 others in this island of around 10000. 00 people many have already migrated somewhere else because of food and medicine shortages were told the water sanitation plant is broken and there is no gas or electricity. If we went to the house of my kailee just seen a mother of 5 she has no money to buy her children clothes or diapers even though her husband works as a fisherman she says they barely have enough to eat people here are desperate they dont have Running Water they dont have gas and this is the only food they have for the whole family the situation is so dire that they were forced to sell this window in order to be able to buy medicine for the children. Michael lee says all government help has been gone for months the venezuelan government says boxes of subsidize food but theyre not arriving fast enough. For the little food we have is because we were given one government box last week after 6 months the government is gone and if they have something they give it to people that vote for them we dont vote because we dont have an id. Economy say the crisis in venezuela is caused by a drop in oil prices corruption and mismanagement of government resources. Its the 1st crisis that last so long in an Oil Producing nation its the 1st oil nation with hyperinflation and its the biggest collapse of an economy in a country that did not go to war the impoverishment in the country is brutal now with an increase in u. S. Sanctions many fear the situation will deteriorate even more on saturday president led a protest against the United States the sanctions implemented by donald trump and opposition leader. All of the smugness all of this brutality has been requested an openly supported by this despicable outlaw traitor to the homeland named one dog but in the island of course most people say the crisis began before the u. S. Sanctions theyre desperately waiting for a solution that will help them survive there is a war and to see her land venezuela. And finally the annual religious pilgrimage to mecca known as the heart she is storing to close the millions of muslims in saudi arabia well had just the Worlds Largest religious gathering with more than 2000000 people estimate is to attend each year the pilgrimage is mandatory for all muslims must perform it once in their lifetime. Quick reminder of course you can find out much more about vassar many of the stories that were covering by going to our website thats what it looks like at the moment and the address is al jazeera dot com aljazeera took. And these are the top stories on aljazeera speaking exclusively to aljazeera pakistans foreign minister has accused the Indian Government of a fascist mentality over its revocation of kashmirs autonomous status security remains tight in indian administered kashmir well though some restrictions have been eased to allow people to celebrate. But sharm atom of caress she said india had a nazi approach to do in india you have a regime which has the fascist mentality that approach that they have is but out it has been guilty of this is the political wing of the other service. That is if great concern to pakistan innocent people being attacked killed raped. And through the pellet guns using eyesight. Yemens interior minister says more than 400 almost vehicles from the United Arab Emirates were used in the last few days of fighting in aden southern separatists are now effectively in control of the port city the sea said the internationally recognized government the u. N. Says at least 40 people have been killed in the last 4 days of fighting elsewhere in yemen 9 people have been killed including 5 children in a saudi led air strike in the northwest of the Country House in midst of a district in hard to province was hits 11 other people were injured according to his the media all the victims were members of one family displaced by the ongoing war. Police in hong kong have fired tear gas and charles with buses at various process gatherings across the territory in the 10th straight weekend of unrest protest is used a flash mob strategy of appearing at lawless shopping streets and train stations only to disperse and then reappear elsewhere dozens of worshippers have been injured after Israeli Police use stun grenades to disperse them from the al aqsa mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem palestinians gathered at the site for the 1st day of. They were angry that right wing jewish groups were demanding access to the site and those are the latest headlines theres more from us in about 25 minutes time stay with us talks aljazeera is coming next. Do you see. The turmoil of post soviet russia in the ninetys saw a handful of businesspeople grow rich. While the country itself group poor. And the world stage a once proud nation was humiliated. Into the mix of chaotic capitalism and wild west opportunity step 2 Young Stanford business graduate ready to make his fortune. Bill browder built the largest Foreign Investment fund in russia revelling in deals that saw his investments increased 10 fold overnight in bolton by his own success browder began to speak out about the culture of corporate corruption. Soon forwarding foul of russias new president. In 2005 browder was expelled from the country and declared a threat to National Security hes head of intelligence vestment fund was raided and he says a complex fraud conducted by russian officials resulted in the theft of some 230000000. 00 it was a scheme uncovered by broders lawyer surrogate magnitsky whose later death in prison apparently the result of torture gave brown to a thirst for revenge and justice purpose the putins regime has been to commit terrible crimes in 2012 the United States Congress Passed the magnitsky act aimed at freezing the assets of those suspected of financial crimes and human rights abuses and magnitsky style provisions are being adopted by the European Union so russia is a country where a 1000 individuals have stolen all the money bill browder multimillionaire investor turned anti putin activist talks to aljazeera. Bill bratton thank you for talking to aljazeera youve been on record describing yourself as flooded near putins public enemy number one is that something that scares you or do you wear it as a badge of honor well i would say both i mean of course when Vladimir Putin wants to go after you hes got resources and hes not constrained in ways that others are and so i live a very precarious life which may end very suddenly and tragically however the reason that im in this position is that. Vladimir putin and his regime killed my lawyer Sergei Magnitsky from covering a massive putin connected corruption scheme and they killed him in a in a horribly sadistic way at the age of 37 and ive been going after them. Ever since they killed him and weve created a law in the name of Sergei Magnitsky in the United States in the u. K. In canada and the stony alathia lithuania and many other countries and theres a lot putin hate so much and thats the reason why he hates me and the fact that this law is causing him so much grief is something which which shows that weve got him back and thats what you with with pride youve been convicted in russia in a censure on 2 counts accused of tax fraud arrested very publicly in madrid last year accused among other things of killing mr magnitsky yourself. And then we come to this meeting in helsinki between trump donald trump the us president and mr putin last year when putin said well give you the 12 indicted military Intelligence Officers indicted by special Counsel Robert Mueller but what we want in return is you bill browder how did that make you feel well again i was i was actually in america at the time and it and Donald Trumps reaction to that was i think its a brilliant idea so i of course i couldnt feel anything other than. A little uncomfortable but 2 things that made me feel 1st was that in America Donald trump doesnt have his own personal rendition squad this thats to go through the department of justice in the courts and the United States the rule of law wouldnt have handed me over to the russians whatever Donald Trumps reaction was but again the fact that im living rent free in putins head shows just how how effective the magnitsky act has been that i would be the one thing he brings up at the summit and so from my perspective it only emboldened me to carry on and to push harder to get other countries do magnitsky and it was an extraordinary example was it of the state of modern politics and geopolitics his Vladimir Putin russian president all hes done in the last few years in ukraine and over the decried by obama in the Obama Administration donald trump willing to embrace them and willing to trade you. For secrets extraordinary well it was extraordinary what he was willing to do but it was also very comforting to see how the system rallied around to protect me and and the next day he didnt walk back his his agreement to this thing the next day after that he didnt. But then the senate and the u. S. Senate then had a vote what would it be a good thing or a bad thing to hand me over and along with i should point out 11 others and and they voted 98 to 0 not to hand me over which shows that that whatever donald trump is thinking thats not a consensus opinion among his people or in america generally youre involved at the moment exclusively understand in following the money trail what happened to the missing millions from your fund in russia. In the process of that you know many people wonder what the basis of this relationship and trump and putin it is it about money is it about favors have you in your following the trail discovered any secrets there well everybody asked me that because so for 9 years weve been looking to who got the 230000000. 00 of tax money that we paid that surrogate magnitsky discovered was stolen and went back to various corrupt officials weve weve traced out for 9 years and we found all the money through Law Enforcement investigations the private investigations the whistleblowers and so far there has not been any money that went to donald trump having said that theres a lot of money that went to Vladimir Putin ok will leaving the money to one side i mean youth in the miller inquiry in another respect in that in a secret meeting that took place in trump tower in mid 2016 Campaign Time between Trump Officials and a senior russian lawyer. The key subject matter was you indeed has mr miller contacted you about that well i cant really talk about what mr miller has contacted me about or not but what i can say is that in on on june 9th 2016 natalia vessel nice guy on a russian lawyer the lawyer involved in that meeting the lawyer involved that meeting who went to trump tower along with a couple of other russians and sat down with Donald Trump Jr. And paul man of fort and this is this is now before donald trump just after he was nominated before he was elected president and they said. If your father talking to Donald Trump Jr donald trump is elected president can you repeal the magnitsky act and could you indict bill browder and. She wasnt there just as a private citizen she was there effectively on behalf of lattimer putin in the russian government and its remarkable from him from almost every different standpoint that that the russian government would send an emissary to talk about me in the magnitsky act is remarkable that Donald Trump Jr. His son his son in law and his Campaign Manager would meet with his russian to talk so is it possible do you think in the end that if collusion is proven that it may turn out that bill browder in the Magnitsky Magnitsky act with powerful motivators well we know for sure that the russians were there because of the me and the magnitsky act and we know for sure that they supported donald trump because they thought he would be more favorable about these issues than Hillary Clinton and we know for sure that they were willing to do things in order to make that happen what we dont know is whether the donald with whether donald trump personally agreed to that and colluded all we know is what the russians intention was we dont know what Donald Trumps response was going back to the money trail. The basis of the act of course passed by barack obama or under the administration of 2012 how successful in practical terms has it be in the last 6 years in terms of strangling the funds of the oligarchs in terms of cooling human rights abuses to account well so extremely successful its been a dramatic and sort of tectonic success and what why has it been so successful because because of the nature of russia so russia is a country where a 1000 individuals have stolen all the money from the country literally a 1000. 00 individuals have stolen a trillion dollars over a 20 year period so theyve stolen all this money and so that the other 145000000 russians are in destitute poverty theres a 1000 individuals and so. Historically when you do sanctions you sanction a country and its all very blunt in the average person and starves them and the elite they fly in their champagne and caviar in private jets but instead what the magnitsky act does and the successor sanctions rules have done which have all been copies of the magnitsky act is go after those 1000 people and theres no if theyre ready to kill for money theres nothing more painful for them to have their money frozen and its and even if you havent frozen their money just the the idea that their money could be frozen its like a sort of sword of damocles hanging over their head and and and thats why putin is hates the magnitsky act so much is because hes a kleptocrat 1st and foremost i believe hes worth 200000000000. 00 i believe that he keeps that money in the name of other people offshore and and if that money is put at risk of being frozen and some of it has been frozen that touches him. More than anything else that more than anything else the actors also had its powers expanded its not just focused on russia. Used recently against 17 saudis believed responsible for the death of Jamal Khashoggi was that a victory for you to find that the act was now being broadened so that after the mosquitoes passed in 2012 budget senator john mccain and senator ben cardin they looked at putins reaction which was hysteria here then when he literally lost his cool and they said were on to Something Big here. And theres no reason why a chinese villa in saudi villain or a venezuelan villain should be able to get a better deal than the russian villains and so they they created the global magnitsky act which passed unanimously in 2016 which goes after bad guys everywhere and and the United States government has been rolling it out. Quietly and steadily across all different parts of the world and when Jamal Khashoggi was was brutally murdered i saw this and i thought this is like the textbook case for the magnitsky act he was a truth teller he was exposing corruption in his regime in the regime that he came for in the saudi regime and then they lured him to the saudi consulate in istanbul and extrajudicial e murdered him in the most gruesome reflect way if there was no this was this was the textbook case for them and for the global magnitsky act and then they used it they used it on 17 saudis and they didnt use it on mohamed bin solomon and i and i along with many members of congress think that thats thats really bad and expanded as well in recent months into the European Union what what what do you foresee for its its use in the e. U. Can you see it for instance begin to influence what appears to be the fairly insidious and creeping russian influence in European Political Affairs im thinking of russian money allegedly used to prop up the. Populist government in italy also suggestions of russian money being involved in breaks it. Tell me about the european angle well so your key United States is the most powerful country in the world but if you get the United States doing saying sions and europe not then then these guys are all going to the south of france and buying villas in the hotel in front of the hotel du koppen in marbella in sardinia and so the so europe has to has to conform with the rest of the world in order for this to be an effective policy and europe up until now hasnt now in december we had a breakthrough in europe where they were finally after 9 years of my campaigning they finally agreed. In principle to do it but it in principle and having a law theres a lot of dots to connect and the devil is in the details and the one thing i can say is that europe is where the russians are most active they find lots of corrupt politicians and officials in the United Kingdom in italy and in spain everywhere and they corrupt them and so europe is a very hard place to get this legislation passed theyre fighting like hell behind the scenes right now to try to stop it and theyve got countries like hungry in italy who are sort of at the moment sort of expressing objections. And even if it does get past getting 28 countries to agree on who to sanction is a very hard thing to do but it is the big prize if we get europe then we got them where they are where it really hits them which is the bill was the all that kind of stuff let me ask you about surrogate magnitsky now he was your lawyer in russia. As you explained he died in. Prison in 2009. And all of these global. Acts of legislation are in his name do you feel responsible for his death well i feel extremely responsible for his death he wouldnt be dead he wouldnt have died he wouldve suffered some horrific torture if he hadnt been my lawyer they effectively tortured him and killed him as my proxy and and so and he was a young truly amazing great man of the 2 children great great life ahead of him and he was cut short in the most horrific way at the age of 37. 00 and for me every day i feel terrible about that and and thats that is that feeling of guilt and that feeling of responsibility and that feeling of anger that drives me for nearly a decade to devote my entire life to getting justice for him well youve talked about revenge who at what point do you imagine you might feel a vengeful but its not about revenge as it is about justice but you know just revenge revenge is something he has were told its part of justice thats what justice is you dont let people get away with with murder its going well beyond sort of a magnitsky you know other many other victims come to me with their issues and their problems in thats its become his legacy to to try to try to create a tool. A tool of fighting impunity in his name and so its not just about justice or revenge or any of those things its also about his legacy youve talked about the 1000. 00 gawks you talked about the trillions of the stole taking you back to your time at the beginning in russia as the soviet union fell you also made a fortune in a fund that was investing in the privatizations of the day taking advantage of century of the collapse of the soviet system isnt that exactly what they did definitely not what they did so 1st of all what i did was i when when they pride. Ties the country they had a stock market and i invested in the stock market and i vested in Big Companies in the stock market and what i did which is totally different than what they did was that the oligarchy and these corrupt officials were stealing from gas prom the biggest state company lukoil etc and i came up with an Investment Strategy which was to help to try to stop the stealing and to expose these guys as i was doing just the opposite which is they were stealing from the state from the people from their companies and i was researching how they were doing the stealing and then exposing the research the International Media to get them to stop it which is how they which is why the regime turned on me and went after me in such a vicious and horrible way but isnt there a gap in timing here initially you made your money and then you. Turned to criticizing know the regime initially you made your money in much the same way they did by taking advantage of a collapsing system well they only similarity is that we were both investing in the system at the very same time the difference was that almost immediately after i started i started exposing corruption which is which is i think that anybody who knew me in russia at the time said thats what russia needs thats a very brave thing to do and its a good thing for russia nobody said its a bad thing to do to invest in companies and i was doing it for money i wasnt doing it for the goodness of the state but to invest in companies expose corruption and try to stop it that definition only is is a good thing well given what was going on at that time then it could have come as much of a surprise to you when the rug was pulled out from under your feet because it did happen to Mikhail Khodorkovsky and of the gox hes now a friend in our viewers here in london he stuck his nose into opposition politics he criticized the kremlin and he had his wings clipped as did all the others you mustve seen that and thought what if i carry on like this the same fate befalls me all or did you feel somehow sort of immune as a phone well that arrogance it was arrogance it was stupidity it was bad bad judgment. But it was also circumstance so for a while i could get away with doing it for a very weird reason which was that when Vladimir Putin came to power he he was he was really sort of powerless because the oligarchs were stealing power from him and so every time i was exposed one of these all of arcs he would come to my aid this is at the very beginning around the year 2000 he would come to my aid and and and theres this expression your enemys enemy is your friend and so for a while i was on my side you know cleaning up russia you know the problem was that he wasnt trying to get rid of the oligarchy he just wanted to become the biggest oligarchy itself and. Effectively did that by arresting Michael Horta kosky the richest man in russia you put the richest man in russia in jail and you feel you are the Television Cameras the film and sitting in a cage whats your natural reaction going to be as another all of arc is is you dont want to be in a cage and that was the moment that the oligarchs came to him and said what we have to do flatter me or to not sit in this cage and he said 50 percent and so at that moment then that was and late 20032 going into 2004 that was the moment that Vladimir Putin. Turned in turn into the biggest oligarchy and that was the moment that my activities became intolerable to you no longer useful to him and indeed i mentioned you were arrest in madrid last year interpol warrants 2 convictions in absentia do you fear for your life. Well i i live in a very precarious position where any day i could be killed or arrested illegally rendered back to russia but i dont spend my life living in fear because if i did that they would have already achieved 90 percent of their objective and so i take precautions. When and how i can i know that probably all the precautions i take can prevent the russians from killing me if they really want to kill me. And. I carry on doing what im doing im not going to im not going to stand down while youve chosen quite some place in which to do it london the u. K. A country in which 121314 estimated russian critics have lost their lives have come to a sticky end in dubious circumstances in just recently is why here why are you in london why are you living such a public existence well as i said im im not the person whos going to live in fear im not the person whos going to withdraw and not the person whos going to go into hiding my reaction is to go straight back at them and. Im not going to change locations. And you know the fate may or may you know deal me a very ugly blow but but thats the decision ive taken well from from the perspective of being in london. And in the context of the wider european question which we mentioned earlier why do you think these things keep happening in britain is it the case that britain is itself compromised in terms of its ability to deal with russia because of all the money parked here because of braggs it because it cant in a sense afford to alienate countries like russia well what ive seen is that the British Government on a regular basis doesnt create consequences for really horrific crimes committed by the russian government in this country and. Xander living in co was murdered with radioactive polonium in 2006 and it was discovered that was the russian government who did this russian f. S. B. And there was no serious consequences just a few diplomats expelled alexander polygyny a whistleblower in our case was killed after jogging outside his home in surrey the police didnt even investigate it as a murder. And then of course the script all poisoning where high grade military chemical weapons were used in in a cathedral town in the center of the u. K. And the only thing that happened was 23 diplomats were expelled and those 33. 00 diplomatic slots are now being negotiated to be replaced so some pretty undiplomatic language passed between the 2 but the diplomatic language words are cheap there is there was no consequences and so its created an environment to allow this to happen and then the question is why and the answer is that this country is compromised because there is russian money thats polluted the political process here and ive seen it up close and personal where members of the british establishment in british law making bodies are taking money to support russians in the magnitsky case and other cases take lord barker. Hes a member of the house of lords its hes a lawmaker and hes on the parent payroll of all leg pasta running around the world trying to reduce sanctions on him. Why is that not illegal maybe it is illegal i dont know but thats outrageous and thats allowed to happen and nothing is nothings being done about it youve described to me of putin not as a man of conviction or ideology but as a modern day public he. Doesnt have hes not hes not like Joseph Stalin hes not doing all these crimes for some communist reason hes not hes not doing this for some religious reason hes doing this for money hes a kleptocrat all he cares about is money and staying alive but and that makes him much more similar to a public escobar than a Joseph Stalin or adult hitler the problem is that you give pablo escobar. The powers of a sovereign state with military and Intelligence Services and Nuclear Weapons and thats a streamlined scary combination well speaking of staying alive and we certainly hope you do do you feel that the efforts that youve put in place now are unstoppable even potentially come a day when youre not around to loping constantly in that cause the absolutely the the magnitsky act is now turned into a viral phenomenon its jumping from country to country to country theres magnitsky proposals all over the world in different parliaments and governments etc and of course i can help and i can stir up the pot make things happen but without my presence they would happen at the same time and in addition to that the the Money Laundering investigation the who got the 230000000. 00 and Sergei Magnitsky was killed over has led to a Massive International Money Laundering investigation which is snared danske a bank nor dia banks where Bank Credit Suisse u. B. S. Banks all over the world are 16 countries with Money Laundering investigations going on as a result of the making its case in its march much much larger than just the 230. Bill browder thank you for talking to us as it thank you. In one lifetime we cannot see everything with our own eyes without testimony we would know very little witness documentaries that open your eyes on aljazeera. Rewind returns with a new series. Of dates on the past about is in this documentary why would compel the poor onion on the spot to hold on. Rewind the games with faggots in city under siege or stick. To. One every shot 6 times on aljazeera. Hello im Maryam Namazie and london with just a quick look at the top stories for you now pakistans foreign minister has attacked the Indian Government for of okene the autonomy of indian a minister of kashmir accusing it of a fascist mentality in an exclusive interview with al jazeera the minister said he has returned from consultations with the Chinese Government he says they completely support pakistans position of the disputed region. To dee in india you have a regime which has the fascist mentality that not uproot church that they have is but out as has been telling you know this is the political wing of the r. S. S. And that is of great concern to pakistan innocent people being attacked killed raped me and through the pellet guns you know losing eyesight you have seen this curfew. Theres a communication blackout. Journalism not being allowed in so the news is not filtering out the absolute confusion uncertainty one is hearing from her to go from 41. 00 hearing of. Nonavailability of medicines i do not know to morrow eat which is a very important day for muslims whether they will lift the curfew i demand that the indian authorities lift curfew and let the most limbs. Perform their prayers and do the sector 5 that they are supposed to do. Yemens interior minister says more than 400 vehicles from the United Arab Emirates were used in the last few days of fighting age and southern separatists an alpha actively in control of the port city the seat of the internationally recognized government the u. N. Says at least 40 people have been killed in recent fighting. Has more from santa. Situation now after the saudi arabia has called for a cease fire merely wonder why the saudi arabia has called for the ceasefire only after the separatists are already taking control of all the military camps the United Arab Emirates forces have been withdrawn have withdrawn. Weeks before the start of this. Fierce confrontations many expect that the situation has been already planned before but on the ground the separatists have achieved their goals now they have accepted to participate in negotiations but this these negotiations we do not know we dont know when they will they will start. Meanwhile elsewhere in yemen 9 people have been killed including 5 children in a saudi led as strike in the northwest of the Country House and a district and province was hit 11 other people were injured according to whose the media all the victims were members of one family displaced by the ongoing war. Police in hong kong are fired tear gas and charged with passions at various protests gatherings across the territory to try to break up the antigovernment demonstrations were testers used a flash mob strategy of appearing busy shopping for affairs and train stations only to then disperse and repairers a different location its the 10th straight weekend of unrest in hong kong protests began over a controversial extradition bill but ive since grown into a wider prodemocracy movement. Dozens of wash up as have been injured after Israeli Police use stun grenades to disperse them from the al aqsa mosque compound in East Jerusalem palestinians gathered at the site for the 1st day of the muslim festival of. And theyre angry by the right wing jewish groups demanding access to the site. And guatemalans of voting in a Runoff Election for a new president the latest opinion poll shows center right candidate 100 met a head of the form of 1st Lady Sandra Torres this is jim 4th bid for the presidency the new leader is likely to face major challenges though coping with a deal signed alongside the United States to turn guatemala into a off a zone in order to stem the migration was the headlines growing pains is the program thats coming up next but theyll be more news after that in about 25 minutes time. Youre. The view growth of something positive. Its great watching our kids grow up or seeing a tree grow. It we always aware that all growth must come to an end. Theres a limit nature knows no such thing as infinite growth this route seems to apply to every kind of growth but one Economic Growth is somehow supposed to continue indefinitely. We believe them and now there are no limits to growth and Human Progress when men and women are free to follow their dreams and we were right. If that growth fails to materialize we panic but why. Has one person recognized the 150 years ago growth is the fundamental principle of our Economic System capitalism only works when the economy grows but karl marx recognize Something Else as well it is this growth that will eventually destroy the system itself. And today every weeks that point is the system about to collapse might infinite growth actually be possible. The governments dont want us to even question the g. Word they dont even want to put a discussion around growth if youre looking at this from the outside it an alien arriving from outer space and youre looking at the society. You would really wonder what was going all what are they doing what what is this gross that has to appear in every political sense on some is the basis of every economics textbook what is it all about is it or is it a religion that they have is the god that theyre chasing is the virus thats taken over them. What is this visceral fia that emerges assume his grace starts to go away. And he says often one of storm kindness garnished gave a while to be defined as a dimension the of it was not a levels you didnt talk back storm in the us. All to god just fax them style gets built out sucks them in spine and i see him in his eyes the audience votes us maximina what his finger was used. To but it went up and and because if what. Mediums he politique we can come. Thats at the veil on a bit of a fickle. Is along his mention of the planet and keep to do with mizuho vip box to long in a huge how does fit in the one up in the above you just read off. Where does this unshakeable believe in Economic Growth come from. Is it always been there. It is a dream part of human nature. It was through all those years under maginot abuse of mass production methods but there was a lot there was able to perform much wartime miracles to build more planes but all the United Nations put together to turn our ships at the rate of 200. 00 a month ships which carried over the years beyond might of the United States to decide the outcome of a war. The Success Story of Economic Growth began during world war 2 mass production of tanks and aircraft let the American Economy out of crisis the output of military equipment was now calculated by a new statistical measure of Gross Domestic Product or g. D. P. If production i. E. G. D. P. Grew and so did prosperity americans believed so firmly in this new formula that they compel their allies to bring they cannot make policies in line with it from then on it wasnt peoples incomes that counted it was only growth and it turned out to be such a useful measure actually for the war effort and for understanding the war effort that off towards it became the single most important policy number. Across the world it kind of symbolizes progress to us soldiers says wow things are getting bigger so they must be Getting Better that was the g. D. P. In the 3 decades after the war the western economies grew up to 8 percent and in the u. S. They called it the golden age of capitalism in france they were the 30 glorious years in germany it was the economic miracle an entire generation enjoyed material prosperity and full employment and this became engraved in the collective consciousness even though these high growth rates were only made possible by massive water destruction the believe in growth was now unstoppable. G. D. P. Became the most important benchmark in history. That an economy in the grace of economy was doing a good job force when when we were young if you like when as an economy as a society we were young and one of the really important things to say is that there are some societies where that is Still Necessary where you still need that growth where you still need food clothing and shelter whether very very poor undernourished People Living on less than the price of a skinny latte from the cafe downstairs and thats why thats a situation where growth makes some sense. But the idea that as human beings all we want is more more stuff doesnt really stack up so after a certain point you have to ask yourself well how much is enough how much how much more do i need to great economy to satisfy human appetites. The 1970s so our growth rate sing for the 1st time due to the op crisis and not affect us the boomers over the market saturated western economy stagnated millions suddenly found themselves unemployed it was uncharted territory. For the 1st time the limits of course became visible economically socially and ecologically. We do have some understanding about growth. In 1982 a group of scholars commissioned by the club of rome presented a report in washington and titled the limits to growth using a computer simulation researchers at mit had calculated for the 1st time what continues Economic Growth would do to the plants their findings set off alarm bells or