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Its believed the vessel was making its way from cape verde to spain. And then just one of those stories to bring you from thailand where protesters have rallied in front of the parliament in bangkok, as the government considers changes to the constitution, at least 40 people were injured. When protesters supporting the king clashed with antigovernment demonstrators calling for, they were calling for the resignation of the Prime Minister. And it cuts to the countrys monaco. Those at demonstrations and calls have been taking place since the month of july. Or the stream is coming up next on aljazeera, but i have more news for you and about 25 minutes time. Ill see you then. Ok. Welcome to the stream home edition. Today we get it. We took a vow to keep fakes. And the company even in spoke, i know the person who can say that absolutely perfectly. Her name is needed. She is the author of this book. Now welcome to the street. Really good to see. Were going to use you as a result most really have you to we have commenters, we have people online again, a chat. So if you are in the comments section, you want to talk to needing absolutely. Trying to know whats to jump into the comment section. But youre coming in there, which i get as many as possible into the show. And you know, we have so many questions for you. People whove read the book, people curious about the ideas. Im going to see a sentence and i want you to finish the sentence. So this book is about the correcting information. He said, the Foreign Ministry thinks there are 3 things i want to see just to get out of the way before i open it up to our audience around the world. One is the perfect perfect description of his information. Go ahead. Its basically Bad Information that is spread even without necessarily an intent to deceive you or description for what this information is. This information is another type of bad and information, but this is made with the express intent of deceiving him folk and thats, thats not whats great. Leave relates to a lot of the work theyre doing. He explained that they inform you know, if its kind of a wordplay on information apocalypse and i use it to describe events, information, ecosystem which we exist in, which is increasingly defined by misunderstood from ation. Your book is incredible. Credibly presson a very, very relevant for right now. Some to read your book and then he wanted to ask you a question about it in a very creative way. He is, have a listener. After reading your book, i started playing with all these new technologies, and soon i was able to create a clip of your voice to take a few photos of you from social media and retreat you doing insane things that you never did. It made me wonder what will have room to our shared sense of reality if everybody is old version of reality. And even if you look deep truths of conspiracy theories, are we all really born of the board with no reader . That is absolutely fantastic. I know founder weve worked together and hes basically portrayed so vividly there by actually face warping into what was my former living room and manipulating my words. Why are just so dangerous because they are the latest evolving threat in this crisis of information that were facing. But theyre the most sophisticated form of manipulation weve ever seen because anybodys words their image can be used manipulated in hijacked, by any actor who basically because ai is an also made fake media, doesnt even need any resources or expertise to manipulate media. So were about to face an avalanche of ai jewett, generated fake media in an information ecosystem which is already replete with Bad Information. So this is just the next step in, in a row, a ready corroding information ecosystem where the notion of reality is already being undermined. You know, when to give people an idea of how easy it is for ai to create people, create faces as a web site called this person does not exist or what you like. Now youre going to have a look at it. This is the safest that im going to start with, and then im going to refresh my browser. And then you see the face who changed. And what youre looking at these people dont actually exist. This is not a real person. Nina, whats happening here . Well, essentially the power of ai to generate fake media and this can be anything, it can be an image, it can be a video, it can be a piece of or do you know it could even be synthetic text is nascent. Its been around iraq, 3 and a half years, and what youre seeing there on that website is basically an ai in model thats been trained on data of hundreds or hundreds of thousands of human faces. So that its learned what a human face of and can automatically generate nonexistent human faces. And this is why deep focus and synthetic media are just so fascinating because they are the very start of a process whereby Artificial Intelligence will be wholly able to generate fake media. You see it there in those people. But as this Technology Gets better, its going to expand into video audio text. Its not only going to be human faces, its anything you can imagine really. But the fascination is doubly being picked up by our audience. Have a look here at this tweet we were telling people about you coming up and you being on the stream today. So talking about deep fakes. And then underneath that john byrne says, how do we know that it is really you . And we have another comment. Say, well, could it be really you maybe it is mostly its not. So theres some tongue in cheek fun about that, but there is a serious underlying point which is how do we tell if its a real person and not a real person . Well that is exactly one of the dangers of the coming age of synthetic media because one of the manifestations of synthetic media is going to be in these digital avatars and include creasing the increased completely synthetic humans, which also will be used for, misunderstand from ation. But even before we get there, the weird paradox is that eyes people become aware of fakes, which is necessary to inoculate the public against their risks. It also means that everybody starts denying or, and the credibility of Authentic Media starts being undermined as well. So youre really in this place where if youre a bad actor, you can also dismissed any kind of Authentic Media as being a defect or faked. So you get into the place where you simply dont know whats real are not anymore. Even before synthetic media is ubiquitous, this thing called the liars dividend is already giving bad actors a lot of currency. I just want to bring in you here because people are watching right now. And theyre wondering about the age that were in. So tailless as hightail, a sense of being part of the show i saw previous shows learned young that just because you see something on a blog, social media or website, that doesnt mean that it is true. How can we fix if we teach this the tech in the church, the inner well, its really one of the Biggest Challenges because i think the 1st step is just the conceptualization of the vast scale of the problem. The challenge here, its an entire paradigm change in the way that we understand information consume and process information. So when you talk about Digital Literacy, that is one part of the puzzle when it comes to Building Solutions and its a very important one. But i think there has to be a recognition that descale the problem is so vast that its not only about Digital Literacy, but its also about enforcing Technical Solutions and Building Society wide resilience to which Digital Literacy is 1. 00 part of the solution you look at in this conversation, im sure it isnt, and you may not see the dangers quite yet in ai synthetic tension. Ology, i want to share with you a quote from ninas book deep sleep porn is an undeniably gendered phenomenon. After hundreds of videos, i scrolled through the new deep state porn sites, but it was the single one of the male celebrity, you know brad pitt, George Clooney dead now hell, were getting into that dark side of dean face. Tell us more. Well, the 1st manifestation of surprise, surprise, when it started leeching out of the Research Community, this amazing ability of ai to generate fake media, the 1st application, the world in nonconsensual porn in so many ways pornography is pioneering just as it was at the very beginning of the age of the internet and enormous user calling himself fakes basically use some of these open source tools out of the Research Community to start making its own ai generated nonconsensual porn films, where he took real point arms and managed to get ai to generate the faces of female celebrities into the film. So these were female celebrities being targeted. He showed other users how he had made them. And from there he was posting them on reddit. It went wild because a fury was banned our credit. But the genie was truly out of the bottle. And since then, which was that in 3 years ago, there is an entire deal fake porn ecosystem. Online, every celebrity you can imagine is targeted, but its not only celebrities. It is also increasingly normal women. But again, it is a gendered phenomenon, it is almost universally targeted against women and theres been some very alarming reports recently of deep acorn also being targeted against minors. So this very malicious use case of ai shows how your biometrics can be hijacked to put you in a situation which you never inhabited. I want to bring in dr. Giorgio, who talks about an investigation that he and his colleagues did looking into. I dont want to spoil the story, but its to do with fake news and porn and have a listen to what he found out. This is something to happen in just the past couple of weeks. Once we uncover an investigation that more than 100000, people were abducted by the fake bots, host or messaging person, done on able to feed naked pictures of people starting from a single photo taken from their social media account. Now we very body able to place our face and take imagery showing us and compromising our intimacy to issues. We are a person on there to see your friends, blackmail, extortion, and public shaming. Online. This was an incredible for fort georges company. Sanford is actually a fake Detection Company released just last week or last month, which basically unveiled their own telegram the messaging app. This technology had been wrapped up in an interface where users could simply send an image of any woman or miner fully clothed, which they taken perhaps from our social media. And then this bot, which telegram was hosting would use the ai to generate an image of that woman or indeed child nude. Now there were over 100000 images being shared publicly. And when the censor to recently asked telegram to take down the bot, they didnt even answer and it was only when this report was released and it got a lot of public attention that telegram for least that part. But the most important thing to remember here is that technology is becoming increasingly accessible and anybody can be targeted, right . Were talking here about one image taken from a woman or a child social media. And while this manifestation was a nonconsensual fake porn, it can be used in a whole host of other settings. It could be used as fraud. It could be used as blackmail. So were only really starting to see the tip of the iceberg of whats to come. We could do the whole show on say porn, the new. Whats happening to women online women includes online. When i think im going to move on because maps the 3rd one another. Or you were talking about a newly really looking to geopolitics and whats happening with a 96. 00 a. This is, this is a sweet spot. And we hand over to mac. Ours through one of the things i find most alarming in the book is an hour of potential military applications of the fakes and idea that they could be used to create a kind of a world war. And with her in mind, given that it is much cheaper to set up and maintain and operate a troll, filemon is to do the same with a tank battalion. What do you think the future is of military spending over the next 10 years or so . How will we see a shift towards Information Warfare as opposed to traditional warfare . I think thats a brilliant question, and i think although i cant comment on the spending figures, the top line is that in the 21st century, increasingly warfare is going to be forward in this information ecosystem. Information warfare is increasingly going to define warfare, and its very difficult because unlike physical warfare, where you can see the tanks at the border or the little green men invading, you cant see intermission warfare. Its not tangible, therefore it becomes very, very effective. And the other thing about Information Warfare and the democratization of the weapons of Information Warfare is that it is no longer a thing that only state actors can wage. Well organized groups can wage Information Warfare. Even an individual can wage information work for a win against the states. I think when you look at warfare in the 21st century, it is increasingly going to be fought in this Information Space by more actors and its community creasing League Difficult for citizens or groups to realize that theyre actually under attack. And you can even look at the debate in the United States right now, to understand how aspect of Information Warfare is, especially when it comes to foreign interference and just information whats making even more difficult. And you point this out, is that more now . Im not sure whats real and whats not real. So he said look, suppose we now were going to think that potentially its not real. And so i want to bring in a story from the new shit which is when the leader of kevon went missing, went a legit to saudi arabia and he just went missing. And so doing this hope it of people not knowing where he was. This video was released. Im going to put your picture in picture, nina, so you can explain why people thought this might be a deep fight. Lets roll the video and media you can comment on it. Why does this look like . Its the world. So this is the perfect example of something known as a liar, as dividends in a world where anything can be faked and everything can also be denied. And that can be used by bad actors. And now the president of the barn have basically gone on a trip. And foreign media reported that he had been ill. And it probably transpired that he had had a stroke. And he basically didnt appear in public for many, many months. And his critics were saying that the president was actually dead. He was incapacitated. And in order to quell those rumors, the president of the barn and his allies released this video, but he looked very strange. His face didnt look more mall, has eyes looked wide. It didnt quite look like him. So his opponents basically said that this was a deep faith and evidence that the president was dead. And 2 days later, excuse me, there was the start of a military coup. It failed, but it just showed how powerful this video which was actually authentic. And he probably looks odd because he had had a step stroke and there probably has botox to the bad effect of the stroke. It shows how effective it can be to say authentic video is fake when theres not a little bit of a cost rate, then you know, its hard when youre the only guest on this show and youve got to keep talking. So im going to go for a moment to Tyler Jeremiah and tyler joining us to me about what is possible yet what weve been doing for a big chunk of the show with me now is working out why the stakes, when they used in a sinister way are problematic, tyler is a student, he knows a lot about ai and even he is surprised how to listen. You know, as someone whos pretty much grown up on social media, i feel like before i have a pretty good understanding of how information gets manipulated by men. It was or so much i didnt know. And coming at this as a Political Science student, my main concern is how will this Ai Technology and was the fix impact our politics. So my main question is, given that your biden just won the presidency here in the u. S. , what advice would you give his administration in dealing with this technology Going Forward . I think that every politician who believes in love liberal democracy and a shared reality to Govern Society and doesnt want to have neverending Information Warfare, should make an absolute point of priority. The problems of the information ecosystem and focus on fixing the architecture in which this information ecosystem is molded. So what are the Technical Solutions we can embed right into the architecture of the information ecosystem so that as consumers and citizens, we basically get to separate some of the noise from the truth from the noise. So for example, recruits, for example, for example, you are increasingly able to think about the provenance of all media. So if, for example, youre a journalist, you are a human rights activist and you have, you want to show that the media that youre portraying is true and it hasnt been tampered with. And that youre not somehow trying to benefit from the live dividend. You can build technology right into the hardware of your device, whether thats your phone or your camera to prove that throughout the life of that media that media has not been tampered with. So thats the prominent side of the solution. On the other hand, you also have to think about building ai software to detect fakes, because as deep become ubiquitous, theyre not only going to be even dangerous, but their quality is going to be so good that to the naked human eye, we simply wont be able to tell whether its real or fake. So you basically build ai detection to also comply automatically, whether or not its safe, but that is always going to be a cat and mouse game, because as soon as you are detector, improves the generating ability of ai to beat that detector will also improve. This is to some earlier connected with code where theres been a lot of misinformation and disinformation surrounding it. And that relates to belgian and told you how to deep fake situation. But it came via extension rebellion and looks into a 1000000000 did was they made their premier do a speech, make an announcement that was all about connecting climate and Climate Crisis to the current covert crisis. Im just going to lead a close up view of the premier. This is the defect. If you look really closely, you can actually see, looks like the join here and mean, how would you put this into a category of the deep state being misleading, or is it in a category or fates can be helpful and useful if youre in the middle of a Climate Crisis, its not a grey area. So i would absolutely say that a misleading because Extinction Rebellion the controversial ecological activist group, basically manipulated a speech made by so few of them over the Prime Minister of belgium in which she was made to say that covert 19 was directly linked like other pandemics. Evola to ecological destruction. Now she had never actually said that if you watch the video, its not completely high fidelity. Femi already pointed out, you can kind of see that her face doesnt look quite right, but that is not indifferent. Terror sometimes the quality of the media, whether or not people are thought and indeed some people when they saw that video circulating by extinction, rebellion we thought that serbs yvel most have made those comments. So it is a mis representation, an actual fabrication of a speech that a politician did not make. And given that it wasnt labeled very clearly, i would say thats absolutely a misuse of the technology. So many questions linger about, how do you know, what should we do in the, what should we do . Cut a great. I want to bring in the Program Director of nisanit gregory. Because sam is putting the onus on ask the public, trying to deduce is, is a deep thinker, is not a deep sake. Hes putting the onus on the creator is serious. We cant expect the average person to be able to spot a dietrich. Its already hard and its going to get harder. So theres a responsibility on the people who make the tools to create the products to make it as easy as possible for a machine to spot the manipulation and on platforms and video sharing sites to detect those manipulations and tell their users theyve seen it. And then we can make decisions if something is malicious and to be careful or whether its funny until after so, its a brilliant insight by sam gregory who i know while his organization does incredible work, not only with regards to thinking about the folks at this information and misinformation in general, and hes absolutely right. This goes back to the point i was making earlier about, we need to build safety into the architecture of our information ecosystem because we, as sole individuals and sort of thems are not going to be able to tell when something is a deep, they are not. And there are many, Many Companies going to be working in this space of generating a synthetic media. Basically area generated fake media because it was going to be so many commercial viable applications. Its going to rewrite the future of the industry of film fashion, corporate communications. So as these people work on building the school technology, they absolutely have an ethical responsibility to ensure that it is not misused. Oh, goodness me, let me just do this one more time so that you can see this book complete secrecy in the book cover. That coming in for clips that is needed, but its fascinating at the very end, you give people ideas about where they should go to get credible in the nation. What are your 3 favorite sites . So actually obviously its a real example of how part of that in our political environment has already become or how potent in fact the last 30 seconds of the shad nina dish, your 3 Favorite Places are often you read when its raining for snow because theres a fantastic resource as well that id really, really recommend witness the organization as well. 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