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Washington so we can use it to her biden of november. Also, a cnn exclusive. Our conversation with senator Bernie Sanders, who had some skin he didnt criticism of Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu and called for an immediate end to the war in gaza. And a lot more that youll want to see. Im kaitlan collins, and this is the source tonight, we start as we are witnessing the aftershocks really play of that Supreme Court decision that has imploded the trump legal calendar. Jack smith is now suggesting that they move the start date for that trial in the Classified Documents case down in maralago, a move that comes just one day after the justices slam the brakes on the case against trump in washington for his efforts to overturn the 2020 the results late this evening, the special counsels office filed this new motion that youre seeing here asking for donald trump and two of his codefendants to stand trial beginning july the 18. One other codefendant a little bit after that the special counsels team wants to get basically at least one case heard before election day in november trumps legal team responded with a now familiar Retort Saying that a fair trial cannot be held until after the 2024 president ial election is concluded. Im quoting them. But they did offer another date this year and the judge who has been mired in some controversy in this case, judge Aileen Cannon is expected to hash it out. During tomorrow in florida. That could be critical to the future of the Classified Documents case. Im joined tonight by an attorney who used to represent donald trump in the Classified Documents case and others, jim trusty, great to have you back here. Jim, in this when you look at it, what jack smith is asking for is for trump and walt nauta. Nauta and carlos to go to but trial on july 8th. The three Defense Attorneys want trump excuse me, want their trial to start in july. I want another one to start in august. What do you think this likely ultimately lands based on the what jack smith wants and what the Defense Attorneys are arguing yeah im gonna go with None Of The Above whats happening. I mean, you talk about this judge being quote, mired in controversy. Shes actually taking a very incremental approach to everything when it comes to scheduling. And thats what you normally see in federal court. Its talking to the parties. Where are we on discovery . Where are we on Classified Documents . Youve got five motions to dismiss pending right now. Youve got ten doj attorneys entering their appearance on the case. This is not a quick and simple matter, and so jack smith, i think the approach he took was desperate to try something against President Trump before the election, which is really the wrong paradigm for doj to take for jack and the Attorney General hello, to take. And of course, the other side is saying we cant possibly do this before the election theres some blame to be had perhaps on both sides for taking extreme positions. But as a former prosecutor, 27 years, i cant get over the fact that doj is admittedly making this a political exercise. Theyre basically saying weve got to do this before the election. Its, just not what you normally see in a whitecollar case for a nonincarceratory defendants. So i think were going to chug along for another month or two. We might see some really fascinating Emotions Hearings in florida. I think very important ones. But i suspect that trial is not happening this summer for a variety of reasons. Theyre not explicitly saying its about the election thats actually kind of jack smiths thing. He has not mentioned the word election in his filings. So it was a win. Do you think the Classified Documents case for trump actually happens well, it depends on a lot of factors that we dont know yet. Theres, theres i think actually very significant motions, not Boiler Plate Type things. Your routinely filed, but really critical ones about the president ial records act the trump team wants that litigated in about two weeks. And i think even jack said something about april for that. So thats a huge threshold havent seen a motion relating to the search warrant, but i think thats a very viable issue in this case, which is unusual because theres some real fundamental stuff and youve got the where do you guess it could go . I think if we get past the summer, then the natural reluctance of the court is probably the benefit of President Trump to say. And look, they used to be a doj policy. We dont try to interfere with elections by trying cases or even bringing indictments on the eve of an election. I think if we get to may and shes not locked in on july or august and we may know more tomorrow that if shes not locked in on those dates, then it might slide the 2025 and thats actually a typical process for a Classified Document complex whitecollar case yet, but ill note that these cases were brought some time ago and certainly the trump team has sought to delay them because they believe its to their benefit and so when i look at this and you see what trumps team is asking for here. The three Defense Attorneys for all three codefendants, what theyre asking for in september. I mean, we could find out in june from the Supreme Court what they think about the Immunity Claim that would then be able to restart the case in dc technically. But if this Classified Documents case is scheduled, is that a way to kind of box judge chutkan and by the trump team by saying, well, sorry, weve got the Classified Documents case now that we have to deal with and theres no time for the federal election case. Yeah. I mean, good question. I dont know for sure because the judge in dc has been very strongwilled about scheduling, and that has fed into jack smiths desire to try that case yesterday. So yeah, there is this tugofwar between whos going to have the scheduling priority. But frankly case in front of the Supreme Court could easily have a significant effect in florida as well, and could lead believe it or not, i hate to even say this out loud. But two additional litigation about whether or not certain activities were within the scope of president ial responsibilities. A little bit like when you have executive privilege litigation. So we could be at round one of Supreme Court exercise on immunity if they ruled in favor of the president , then you could end up having more litigation and more Supreme Court before anybody ever thinks about a real trial date. Well, let me ask you on that because that is interesting in the order is i was looking at it the Supreme Court basically defined the question that they plan to answer here, which is and im quoting whether an if so to what extent does a former president enjoy president ial immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office. One, i notice they are totally ignoring his claims of Double Jeopardy. It seems like theyre not buying that at all. But two, hes been arguing absolute immunity, but since they say whether and if so, to what extent is that telling you that they dont buy the broad Immunity Claim right off the bat i mean, its a dangerous game to read the tea leaves too much. And i know i do agree with you about the Double Jeopardy claim that would never really grabbed me as having a lot of traction. Look, i think excuse me. I think theres a little bit of overstatement which is when they talk about absolute immunity, its still tempered by the need for the actions to be within the president ial responsibilities. So its not really the king can do no wrong, period. Its, he has absolute immunity if the actions are related to specific duties, even the outer perimeter of the president ial duties. So its a real nuance term, but it basically comes closer to qualified immunity than it sounds like thats the area with the Supreme Court is going to be tempted to rule. Thats not really what trumps team argued. They bought in on that hypothetical that was floated by the judge about using hell team six to kill a political opponent. They said, technically, yeah, they did agree with that. So i mean, thats not what i mean. I dont think anyone would consider that to be an official duty of the president right i hope not. I mean, like i thought that was a bad moment in terms of kind of conceding to the to the hypothetical that way. And maybe the ultimate feeling tactically is were going to shoot for the stars. But what wed be thrilled if we land at the moon, meaning were overshooting, but we still have that kind of more limited version of immunity to play with again, no matter or how it went in front of the Dc Circuit Court of appeals. I do think thats where the Supreme Court is going to be wrestling, which is do we afford immunity to acts within that exterior, that outer perimeter of president ial responsibilities . And i tend to think theyre going to say yes. And thats going to be a huge moment for president. Trump doesnt necessarily mean florida goes away automatically because theres a retention of documents after the presidency, there might be any evidentiary hearings are argument on that, but i think the dc case would be in dire straits. Maybe by the explicit language, but certainly by a ruling that favors this idea of qualified immunity. Are you glad that youre not trying this anymore . Or how do you feel about it i dont know. Look, anybody thats a trial lawyer when they see other lawyers like man, i should be in there doing that. But i look, i had a fascinating year representing President Trump got to make some really good friends, meet some very interesting people. I dont regret being on it then that i dont regret it being off it. Fascinating is one where jim trusty, thank you for your time tonight and for more analysis on what were looking at tonight. I want to bring in Nyu Constitutional Law Professor kenji yoshino, glad to have you back here when you see what jack smith is asking for pushing the trial date, but he wants much earlier than what the trump team and the codefendants, walt nauta but in Carlos De Oliveira what theyre suggesting is it somewhere where theyre trying to meet in the middle or what do you make of what happens here . I think what jack smith is motivated by is not november. I think its by june which is the end of the Supreme Courts term. And i think all hes thinking about is making sure that theres no ambiguity whatsoever about what the Supreme Court said. So the one thing we know that is that by the end of june, the Supreme Court will have rolled one way or another on this executive Immunity Claim and this trial is set for one to proposed date is one week after the close of the immunity thing. We always talk about it in the realm of the election interference case. But trumps also claiming that in the Classified Documents case and you heard jim trusty saying there that he thinks he can have an argument on part of it, but its also the willful retention in the obstruction of the efforts to investigate to try to get them back. That is also at play here and also trump was not an office. Can argue president ial immunity if he was two years out of the office. Yeah, absolutely. So like even under the Nixon Versus Fitzgerald Case for says than the language has coded the fbi our earlier guests trustee youd go to the outer perimeter of president ial actions. No one is arguing, right . That taking documents into your own home and obstructing justice, or your official acts as precedent in a ballroom, a bathroom, fairly beyond. Same if immunity right. In his filing, what you could see is that trump was leaning heavily on being the republican nominee, which hes not yet, but it seems like hes on the path to do. They talked about the dates of the Republican National convention. They talked about other campaign dates. How does the judge look at that . Does she take that into consideration for criminal proceedings . I think in an ideal world, she shouldnt i mean, no one is above the law. This is a criminal proceeding. She should just set the dates as it were, but i cant imagine as the human being should ignore that one of the most chilling things that ive seen 25 years of Teaching Constitutional Law Is The Trial Schedule that Defense Attorneys proposed. And im sure youve seen it as well where their blocks that say a b here is when were going to argue pretrial chilling thing because youve ever seen, well, it just this idea that you have somebody whos saying, heres a pretrial motion, and then heres Republican National convention, because its just suggested this is a very first time in our nations history that weve had an individual who is a front runner running for president , who was a former president whos under criminal indictment. This has never happened before us is completely untrue. Part of the territory that kind of chart did pictures worth 1,000 words that dead more than anything else and knocked my socks. Yeah. Hes gonna to put that on your syllabus one day. Can chief, thanks to have you here to break that down for us. Great to have you ahead. 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Thats where youve seen that razor wire go up . To keep migrants out. Its been a point of high tension between the state and the federal government. Meanwhile, President Biden was about 300 miles away. He was in brownsville and his first visit to the border in 13 months. Each of them pointing fingers at each other this is a biden invasion of the United States is being overrun by the biden migrant crime. Its a new form of vicious violation to our country trump highlight in crimes committed by migrants to make his point, but i should note without the data to backup his claim of this immigrant fueled crime wave in the us. Immigration and Border Security. Or of course, top concerns for voters. Weve seen that in the polling and record numbers of migrants ive crossed into the United States since biden took office. Theres enough blame to go around though, of course, including to trump and the republicans in the house who recently tanked that bipartisan immigration deal, a deal that some conservative senators said they believed was better than anything that they had had a chance to pass in decades. President biden highlighting that point when he was in texas today its time to act as long past time to act to mr. Trump. She had a Plan Policy Issue she said of telling members of congress to block the southern station. Join me, or ill join you in telling the congress to pass this bipartisan Border Security bill. We can do it together few people know Donald Trumps vision for the border better than the person who ran the department of Homeland Security during his administration, chad wolf, was trumps acting Homeland Security secretary, and he joins me now. Thank you so much for being here. Well, just on that comment made by President Biden there saying that trump should join him. I mean why not take him up on his offer if biden is ready to make real concessions on the border as he was in the Senate Immigration deal kaitlyn, thanks for having me on. I dont know that we need to overly complicate things. President biden has all the authority he needs today to solve this crisis and he can do it tomorrow with a really a stroke of a pen and the authorities that we saw during the Trump Administration that were highly effective in getting the border under control and stopping the mass numbers of illegal migration that we see today. And so you can wait on a senate bill. You can ask others to join you, or you can just simply do your job and use the authorities that you have. And i think thats the frustration a lot of americans see today is they want the job done and they want some action, they want some results and i would say to the Biden Administration, use your authorities to get get the American People what they want. Yeah. So there are some Executive Actions based on our reporting that biden is considering taking, but im curious because, you know, when trump it was in office, he also took a lot of Executive Action on the border, not as much as what biden has done, but if you look at what he his executive Executive Actions were 35 of them and i looked at the numbers today almost 94 failed to stay to stand up to legal challenges. So whats the point in signing an Executive Order or if its not actually going to pass muster with courts well, i think theres things that you can do without signing an Executive Order. You can use the authority that you have to restart the remain in mexico program. You dont need an Executive Order to do that. Secretary mayorkas has the all the authority that he needs to do that that was one of the most single Effective Programs to end Catch And Release and to get again, that border under control and to stop these frivolous Asylum Granting and complaints that we see today. So theres things that you can do without an Executive Orders, just existing authority that congress has passed many years ago, decades ago that resides both with the president and with us you dont have to do an io you can just simply put it in place today. Thats restarting border wall construction, restarting our asylum cooperative agreements. And so theres a number of things here that have been tested by the courts, such as remain in mexico has been validated by the courts to be effective and legal on remain in mexico. We hear this from republicans a lot that want it to be back in place. But the mexican governor permit doesnt want it. Theyve made that clear, so i mean, its not really possible, is it for the United States to put it in place if the Mexican Government says, we dont want this well, i think it is. I think the Biden Ministration really hasnt fought hard for it. Youve got to negotiate with the Mexican Government just as we did in 2,018. 2019 to get that in place. That was the same response to the Mexican Government had when we talk to them initially about that program and so theres a lot of things that can be done. Hes just it takes leadership, it takes will and it takes some hard negotiations and some hard conversations but you need to do that. Its an Effective Program and it will work again. President biden spoke right after we heard from your former boss, donald trump, also on the border today. I just want to play a little bit of what trump said in his remarks in eagle pass these are the people that are coming into our country and theyre coming from jails and that coming from prisons and theyre coming from mentalism theyre coming from insane asylums. And they are terrorists. We have languages coming into our country. We have nobody that even speak says language is as you know, the border is a legitimate issue. But why make things up while talking about it . Why not just talk about the border itself . I dont know that the president , former President Trump is making anything up. I think if you look at all of the arrest that is made last year, half of them over 50 were criminal aliens. And so i think what hes saying is there are some bad individuals coming into this country illegally through a wideopen Southern Border and we need to be concerned about that. And hes also talking about no evidence countries, the number of nationalities that are being picked up along the border sorry, kaitlan. What was that . Wouldnt he weve asked the Trump Campaign the first time it was years ago when he said that mental institutions were emptying their places, that doctors were complaining they didnt have any patients in their mental institutions and other countries because they were all being sent across the Southern Border and theres no evidence to back that up. I mean, why make that claim . Thats not true. When you could actually point to legitimate things on the border, i think is my point here yeah. So look, i think theres a theres a lot of evidence. Theres a lot of evidence that a number of bad individuals that are coming across that border that are criminals in their home countries in countries in Central America south american, venezuela, and the like. And theyre coming across this country how do we know that . Because we eventually picked them up and we do arrest them. And as we start to look into their backgrounds, we understand that they have criminal records in their home country. So i think thats the concern and thats what americans are really concerned about is not only the illegality of whats going on along that Southern Border but the safety and the security in communities like athens, georgia, and elsewhere i mean, youre making one point and i understand that, but hes making another about mental institutions. Theres just no evidence to back it up. And i think i dont understand why it keeps saying it. If its not true well, again, i think the president obviously speaks for himself, but he has real life experience, obviously being president for four years understanding the type of individuals i was in the oval office in briefing him many times on the types of individuals and the types of groups that are coming across that border. But you never saw most reasonable americans see, is that there are a number of bad individuals that continue to come across this border that the Biden Administration is. They know this. They have the same stats in the same statistics. And theyre not putting any policies in place to stop them. Well, they have signed a lot of Executive Orders, but i just i wanted i didnt hear any evidence about this one thing we still havent heard anything. I just wanted to ask you about that. Chad wolf as always, thank you for coming on tonight. I appreciate you joining us. All, right thank you. 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Sunday at ten on cnn gunfire, panic and pandemonium at food lines and gaza today that left more than 100 people dead, according to the Palestinian Health ministry, a warning that some of the images you are about to see in this report are graphic we have aerial footage to those provided by the Israel Defense forces. It shows the civilians as you can see here, desperately swarming aid trucks for food. As United Nations has warned, gazas on the brink of famine, this is the aftermath of the carnage that unfolded bodies picked up and carted away, piled on the back of the truck that you can see here were now hearing two starkly different accounts from the idf and from palestinian officials and eyewitnesses about how and why in that ensuing chaos, many of the victims were run over by those aid trucks. Cnns Jeremy Diamond is on the ground and telaviv well, kaitlan, lets start with what Eye Witnesses on the ground tell us happened early this morning before dawn, a convoy of aid trucks made its way into the western part of gaza city was immediately swarmed by hundreds of people, desperate to grab any humanitarian aid. Some of those individuals jumped on top of those aid trucks, grabbing bags of flour and whatever else they could take up. But within minutes were told that the Israeli Military then opened fire on that crowd, sending people running in all directions. And propelling the drivers of those trucks to hit the gas running into that crowd, killing dozens of people in the process. Now, he either all zaanoun, a local journalists who has worked with us before, tells us that about 20 people he believes were killed by the initial gunfire, but that the majority of those people were killed in the ensuing chaos. Now, the Israeli Military offers a very different timeline. They say that there was was first a stampede and those aid Truck Drivers running over people and that it was only after that happened that Israeli Forces nearby fired on another group of palestinians who they say, were approaching them in what they describe as a threatening manner. Now, the Israeli Military says that it will investigate this incidents. But those accounts by the Israeli Military obviously contradict what were hearing from witnesses on the ground. The bottom line, though, the Palestinian Ministry of health says that at least 112 people have been killed in this incident. More than 700 people injured, adding to this grim death toll that we hit on thursday of more than 30,000 people killed. And its also very clear that if this situation continues, in particular in northern gaza, where people have very little access to food, very few aid trucks are making it through that. More people will die not truss by bombs and bullets, but also by starvation as the World Food Program warns that about half 1 million palestinians are on the brink of all out famine now, this could also complicate those negotiations that are happening for a temporary ceasefire. President biden warning that it will complicate those talks kaitlan. Jeremy diamond. Thank you for that report. And as he noted, President Biden is weighing in on this talking about what that violent scene could mean for those ongoing painstaking negotiations that have been underway for a ceasefire, a ceasefire that i should note earlier this week, President Biden predicted could happen as soon as monday second. Now i dont hes not saying that he is predicting it. Could he says he knows that it will affect these negotiations that have been underway come close and fallen apart. Just this week, the president witnessed the impact that his handling of this war or could have on his political chances come november. I sat down exclusively with vermont senator Bernie Sanders to talk about that reality and what he thinks should happen next. Senator, thank you for being here. Its great to sit down with you. We saw the democratic primary layout in michigan and over 100,000 voters voted uncommitted in protest of how President Biden has handled the war that israels waging in gaza is that a warning sign to the white house in your view, would be good im going to think all over this country, people looking at whats going on in gaza and really cannot believe what theyre saying. Our mean, its only the 30,000 palestinians have been killed and 70,000 wounded twothirds of whom are women and children but kaitlan, what were looking at at this moment heres the starvation of hundreds of thousands of children and that is because of israeli bombardments. And that is because of the restrictions at the border preventing humanitarian aid from getting in. This is absolutely unacceptable and in my view, it as a side said this 1 million times the United States should not be giving netanyahu and his extreme right wing government another nickel for their war efforts that are killing so many innocent palestinians. When the white house says you were listening to these voters who have that same exact the concern that you do about the aid that is going to israel with no restrictions on it. The president has sent Campaign Aides to talk to arab americans. He sent white house officials, including National Security aides but should he himself be having these conversations directly with something, whether its him or his aides, its what the policy is. Thats whats important. And what the product someone has got to do in my view, is telling netanyahu, sorry, youre not getting another nickel or us taxpayer money to murder women and children in gaza . That has to be a major change in the israeli policies. It has lot to do with the two twostate solution. And where we go at the in this war. If he doesnt do that, do you think those 100,000 voters wont come home in november . I dont want nobody can speculate it nobody knows you havent talked to 100,000 i wasnt. And lately, have you nobody has so but i do think this the contrast between biden and trump is pretty clear. I think most of those people who voted wrong im committed. Understand like biden has learned byinlarge a good job for working people. He understands the Climate Change is real. And on the other hand and you have donald trump, who is a pathological liar, who wants to deny every woman in america the right to control her own body, who doesnt even understand the Climate Change is real i think the choice is clear, but i think there are a lot of people who are upset about the president s policies regarding the war in israel. Youve been really outspoken in calling for a ceasefire and youre a champion of policies on the left, i mean, everyone witnessed your runs for president. You though, have also faced some of of what President Biden has when hes speaking publicly, which is people calling for ceasefires, are calling for you to call it a genocide, something that you know, thats true. But i dont know that we want to be arguing whether its a mass slaughter or genocide. Its kind of a technical term to the International Court of justice is looking at, look the real issue is with 30,000 dead and 70,000 wounded and hundreds of thousands of children starving to death. I would hope that every sane american wants this war ended and ended right now. And thats the role of the United States has got to play and we have a special role because we have supported israel for many, many years, threeandahalf billion dollars, 1 million trade every year. And now, there are those in congress who want to give them another 10 billion to continue this war. So i think the goal right now is for us to rally around the epa to say no more military aid for netanyahu in this terrible war. 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That is the lowest that number has been since 2012 and its a reality that i dug into with senator Bernie Sanders lets talk about why were in this hearing room and you just wrapped up a hearing earlier on the Retirement Crisis the us and one number that you put out in your report that really stood out to me you said 52 of americans were 65 and older live on less than 30,000 annually. And 1. 4 survive on less than 15,000 per year. Youre right. I mean, not really when i read these statistics that by slept put together, it it is stunning and kaitlan, if you put that within the context of the richest country on the history of the world, entered a time when the people on top have never, ever done better when three people or more wealth for the bottom half of american society, i hope we all conclude that we can do a lot better for seniors than we are currently doing is it a point where retirement is a bit of a luxury in the United States . Well, one of the witnesses you may you have seen this morning was a woman who was with united is with your automobile where shes order worker and she described the difference in her situation today as somebody who currently has no pension with her grandparents, who did have the pension. Now, what were used to have in this country is a defined benefit but pension system, which was pretty prevalent. In other words, you work for your company for a certain number of years and you knew that when you retired, there will be a certain something my money coming into your bank account every single month by enlarge. That is gone. So in my view, weve got to do two things at a time when cooperation so drawing recordbreaking profits, we got to say to them, you know what, you got to establish a defined Benefit Pension Plan for your workers. There are various its ways that you can do it. Thats the one. Number two, we got to deal with Social Security for many, Many Americans especially lower income Working Class Americans the Social Security benefits that theyre getting today are inadequate. So what do we have to do . Got to do something very simple, right now. You make one point six million a year. I make 160,000 here guess who pays more in Social Security taxes . We pay the same by the same because there is a ceiling on what you can pay to be clear, thats not my salary. Youre just using . No, i dont want people going crazy on that note. Senator cassidy, who is in here, he said thats an outdated model. He talked about obviously now weve shifted to where, you know, its the responsibilities more on the employee than the employer. No kidding. But on Social Security, you know, it is set to become insolvent soon and it seems like everyone understands that, but no one really wants to address it because of the political pitfalls. What is the realistic way to handle it . Its not a political piffle the rich get richer, the rich have lobbyists all over washington dc, billionaires and making normas campaign contrary mucins. And you know what their main issue is, dont tax us hey, only worth 1 billion. Hes worth 10 billion. Its not fair. Dont tax me anyway. So the result of that is a taxicab driver, hazard effective tax rate, which was higher than billionaires so of course they dont want this as a class issue. Of course, the rich dont want to pay more in taxes. Most of them, there are some who are willing to do it. But you told me if it makes any sense to you what were struggling to make Social Security solvent, that youve got billionaires who paid the same amount into the Social Security trust fund for Somebody Making 168,000 makes no sense . But, you know, you have people who worked for the rich enough for their constituents. And thats where we are, where we are. One idea we hear from republicans, especially in the republican primary race was this idea of raising the retirement age lilian idea . Yes, it is. Yes. Were going our people 87 yearold Paki Groceries at a supermarket you know, really people have worked hard their whole lives. This is the richest country in the history of the world. Raise the retirement age cut benefits. I dont think so. The alternative approach which makes eminent sense to me and the best majority of the American People was the man that the people on top finally slept paying their fair share of taxes. So we can expand benefits. Do not raise the retirement. Its just cruel. I mean, to tell people worked like that woman in a factory. For a whole life thats got to work two or three more years. I dont think so. On this issue overall, one thing that stood out from the hearing is just listening to peoples financial situations and what people are going through. One thing we often hear from the white house is that despite how people are feeling, the economy is doing better, their lives are improving since biden took office. But what happens when people dont feel that way its a very good question two realities here. Number one unemployment is low. You want to get a job in most states, you can go out and get a job thats a pretty good thing or we are are rebuilding american manufacturing, creating Manufacturing Jobs that is a good thing. So in a lot of ways, the economy in fact, is doing well but there is another reality. This is an astounding fact over the last 50 years, 50 years. Despite a huge increase in Worker Productivity and technology the average American Worker today in real inflation out and for dollars is earning less than he or she did 50 years ago. That is insane there has been a massive transfer wealth from the Working Class to the top 1 . Now i dont want all talk about that much on tv. And we dont talk about much in congress, but that is reality. Where rich country, but almost all the wealth is going to the people on top, 60 americans are working paycheck to paycheck. So what you really need is a movement and were beginning to see that with the unions on people standing up and saying no to corporate greed, creating an economy that works for all, not just appeal. Weve seen the unions the uaw, you mentioned a worker who is your hearing theyve endorsed President Biden come november. We talked about his issues with arab americans, but hes also facing issues with other groups as well that brought him to the white house. Do you think he can hold together a Winning Coalition come november . I think so, but it depends on the nature of the campaign that he runs. Good hope that he says to the American People, look, we have accomplished a lot. Theres a lot that he should be very proud of. You know, we forget kaitlan three years ago in the midst of the terror herbal, covid, Pandemic Unemployment soared, the economy virtually collapsed thousands of people were dying every day, every day but he was scared to death about this terrible disease we came out of that economic downturn a lot faster than the economists thought we would, because we passed the American Rescue plan so he has, i think a lot to talk about, but he has also got to recognize that over the last many, many decades, we have seen a growing gap between the very rich and everybody else. Corporate profits are soaring. Elderly people are living in poverty so what he needs lewis say it, make it very clear he is going to stand with the Working Class to this country around that agenda that works for everybody, not just the people on doing that enough right now. In your view, hes not im in there things that i think can be done. I think you have to say very loudly and clearly when he does, but not quite as strongly as i would like. You got republicans right here in this room who want to repeal the estate tax, which applies to the top onetenth of 1 . Want to go yes, if over a period of years, trillions of dollars in tax breaks to the top one tenth with 1 . And then they want to cut back on programs for the Working Class and the elderly does that make any sense to me . Hes got to take them to task and stand up and make it clear that of trump than republicans gain control of the congress the rich are going to do a very, very well working people are going to be hurting. Maybe well see that at the State Of The Union next week. Lets talk about, you in november. He has not announced, but you plan to do are you going to run for reelection . Well, lets between me and the people who the state of vermont and i will make that at the appropriate time. Make that decision. Do you think youll make it before may your filing deadline . I guess okay. Well, hopefully welcome back here on the source and tell us we will of course, keep you updated when Senator Sanders does tell us what he plans to do come november, its a Big Question On Capitol Hill also here tonight, the City Of Las Vegas has been such a powerful force and the zeitgeist lately hosting the super bowl, wowing audience. And its futuristic new venue, the sphere now, the new cnn original series vegas, the story of sense city takes us on our incredible journey from the citys origins as a Dusty Desert Town to the Entertainment Mecca that it is today. The, Gentleman Who was additionally, listen to tucson and they got up to leave back to school and he should be a briefing gets you a work permit oh, how are you for two weeks . 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Youre in washington right now for a reason because youre talking to lawmakers and i was struck by something you wrote in a recent oped where you said the money and the heartache that it takes to recover from these tragedies is far greater than the money that districts need to prevent them do you think that message broke through on capitol hill today you know, i do we had a very positive reception from both republicans and democrats whenever we talk to them today. So im hopeful that they heard the message that we need additional funding for Mental Health resources and safety and security resources, especially for rural districts like mine. And one big part of this that you need is 20 million, no small fee, but thats to help finish pay for the Replacement School for Robb Elementary On that the front, given that enormous sum, what are the lawmakers say about that . Did they offer any assurances to you about the funding i think that theyre going to try to work through that with us. We are hopeful that they will do the best that they can to assist us to replace our elementary school. And i know you talked about the grants and the difficulty that some districts like yours have and applying for these grants because it does take so much time and you dont necessarily have someone whose job solely it has to do that when you when you look at that and the other enormous aspects that come with this job, and just a community thats still reeling from what happened nearly two years ago. I mean, i wonder what you feel about the weight of the role of this job that youve taken . You know, its it is trying to bring hope to a community that has lost so much i am honoured quite honestly to be in the role. And i love working with the community. Its a Beautiful Community and we are going to do everything that we can as a team. I work with a Wonderful Group of administrators and our goal is to present a beautiful plan to put the Community Back together through the kids and so were gonna do that in a very connected way and im looking forward to doing that work with them. So ashley kole, us quite a job that you have. Thank you for joining us to talk a little bit about it. We hope youll come back in the future. Thank you. And thank you so much for joining us. The news continues right here on cnn for nearly a decade, i served in the navy supporting seal teams today, i run save about doors with fellow Special Operations Veterans our mobile app connects customers with hunting, fishing, and other outdoor experiences. American technology has been essential to our growth. But some in washington want to stifle the technology. Small businesses like ours depend on this misguided agenda will empower Foreign Adversaries threaten National Security, and destroy jobs. Are leaders need to strengthen not weaken. 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