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Welcome to our special continuing primetime coverage of the Trump Hush Money Trials De 30th or sauce for me, daniels take the stand. Its all the defense move for mistrial over some of what she said and then launch into their crossexamination, which is expected to continue on thursday when the trial resumes. But before getting into the nuts and bolts of what transpiredoday, its hard not to stop, consider that this is happening at all. A former president of United States running for president again confronted the cord by the porn star whos silence, hes accused of buying and covering up so that he could become president the first time around tonight will bring you her testimony in great detail to the relationships she says they had the Effect Prosecutors hope it will have on the case and defense attempts to undermine it, which began early on with the following exchange. She had with trump attorney susan nicholas, who asked her quote, am i correct that you hate President Trump, to which daniels replied, yes. As for the former president and he did not have a single word to say about Stormy Daniels at the end of the day, but had plenty to say about the case itself. This was a very big day a very revealing a as you see, there cases totally falling apart. They have nothing on Motion Records and even something that should bear very little relationship to the Case Disaster for the idea to the source back to disaster well, just for reference, george soros is the billionaire who backs liberal causes as a frequent targeted republicans and the fort, right, according to cnn and fact, checker daniel dale, he is not donated to da album brags campaign, but did give money to a Political Committee which did support brag when i bringing the panel tonight, new york defense attorney arthur, i Dollar Bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeffrey toobin, my fellow cnn primetime anchors thatd be philip Kaitlan Collins and Laura Code Scaling was in the courts name, so weve seen is keras canal, who joined us as well. So lets start with both of you cara, what was it like . I mean, i thought there were so many different moments because so many Different Things happen today. There was Stormy Daniels when being questioned by the prosecutors and she was almost gfs gossiping with her friends, telling her story, looking at the jury a lot engaging, and we saw i saw a number of jurors taking notes, flipping through their pad of paper, writing down a lot of what was said even though a lot of what she testified has nothing to do with the falsified documents in this case and then there was trump reacting to that. He was nudging his attorney repeatedly trying to get them to object. They did. And the judge agreed with a lot of those objections because they had to do with streaming daniel is kind of going a little beyond the bounds of what the judge had said would be acceptable testimony and then the crossexamination, susan nechele, is came in. There are peppering her. So daniels demeanor change was sitting with their arms crossed she just was a lot more defensive in that mode and we heard Stormy Daniels tell the story of how she met donald trump, how she ended up in his hotel room, suite, how she came out of the bathroom and saw him lying on the bed bringing the jury into the rumen that detail, and then also saying both one question by the prosecutors and the that she did want to make money from this. That specially milling or story. And at least initially looking to sell her story and then she said she wanted to get it done before the election because essentially she thought thats been shared the most leveraged that donald trump wasnt going to pay her after the election. I mean, jeff toobin, i were talking about this just a minute ago. Another key thing that happened today that is kind of lost in this is that the prosecution had showed number of excerpts from trumps books from 20 years ago. This was before so daniels came out with four Stormy Daniels gaetz on the stand and theyre Reading Excerpts that are going exactly at some of these issues in the case where trump is saying you have to challenge every invoice, i sign every one of my checks and that is actually what this case is about i mean, i think the one word that everyone who was in the room can agree as it was incredibly intense i mean, regardless of if youre the defense or the prosecution, just the feeling in that room, it was like the book excerpts are interesting and they are probably really relevant to this case, but everyone knew that Stormy Daniels was coming because it was one of the first things that the prosecution and the defense addressed with the judge when they gotten the ruang today, which are the parameters of what she could tell testify even before the crossexamination started, it was so intense in that room, listening to her answer those questions, watching trumps reaction as he was paying more close attention than he ever has with really anything before at one point grimacing, he had this scowl on his face as she was telling certain stories about what he said she asked about his wife melania. The only time Melania Trump was brought up today. This is when she said she was in the hotel suite. This is before they had said she looked she looked at the picture and she said you have a beautiful wife. And he told her not to worry because they didnt sleep in the same room anymore. That was what she testified. But she also testified about a moment where in that same night in 2006 and lake tahoe, where she said she was kind tired of him talking about himself at dinner. They kept erupting already was showing her a magazine that had him on the cover of it and she said that the only thing she was interested in was squatting him with it and he kinda like dared or to do it. And she actually did it. She said and kinda acted it out in court at that moment, we saw trump malsin, a word you couldnt exactly tell what it was. But when now when you look at the transcript, there was a really tense moment right after that when they took a break. And now when you get the transcript, the judge asked the two sides to approach the bint and he said to trumps team, i understand your client is upset at this point, but he has Cursing Audibly and he is shaking his head visually. And thats contentious. It has potential to intimidate the witness and the jury can see that blends study would talk to him and the judge said, im speaking to you here at the bench because i dont want to embarrass him. Blend city. We talked to him and the judge said you need to speak to them. I wont tolerate that one time i noticed when ms daniels was testifying about rolling up the magazine and presumably smacking your client. And after that point, he shook his head look down, and later i think he was looking at you, mr. Blanch, when we were talking about the apprentice. And at that point, he again uttered a vulgarities and looked at you. Please talk to him at the break. Was juries not in the room. Witnesses in the road, but the judge is saying, you need to control your client while shes telling these very salacious details. In jeh few recently interviewed Stormy Daniels you just were you surprised at the level of detail she went into . Yes. I have a phd in Stormy Daniels study the i was not surprised that she answered the questions, but i was surprised that the prosecution asked them. I didnt think that was necessary, and i think there is some chance that some of what she said my generate a little sympathy for trump because for all today was fascinating and im sure everybody is fascinated as was i most of its just not relevant to the case. I mean, this is a case about the money that was paid to her and it almost doesnt matter whether they actually had sex. The argument is that trump was so worried about the report of the sex that the underlying truth of it doesnt doesnt really matter. I understand why the defense move for a mistrial. I think the judge was right not to granit, but i think some of this stuff was so explicit and so salacious that it was just unnecessary. And i thought the prosecution could have told this story in the somewhat more truncated way. This was always the risk with calling Stormy Daniels to the stand i mean, she is a colorful person by her very nature. If you look at clips of her on late night then in other interviews, settings and she really took that to another level on the Witness Stand every normal regular person witness is gonna be a little tricky on the Witness Stand. It seems to me, but Stormy Daniels is on a whole other level it was i mean, maybe its nothing ventured or nothing gained. I dont know if maybe there was some kind of hail mary at play here, but it seems like a huge risks to put someone on the stand who is not necessarily the most sympathetic witness she has a very specific part of the story to tell, but she was asked to tell way more of it than i think even people who dont like donald trump would care to here and how that will play with the jury is anyones guess, but it just im with jeffrey. It just seemed to me we learned way too much about the silk pajamas and whatnot. Im donald trump today. And none of that has to do with what hes ultimately to add one point, well, there isnt point though and have to be, its a difficult needle to thread you want to show credibility and a memory. You want to make sure that the audience the audience, as in the jury, is aware that this person remember specific details theyre not giving the broadest of strokes who enjoy that they say with precision, what happens now of course, the risk that is, she has testified not in federal court, but in other instances. So everything shes saying well be at matched up because Everything Else she said, but a jury wants to know that you remember this precisely, but the other fascinating thing is of course the star of this case is the least sexy thing of all its documents. There are 34 of them. Her place in this case to me was out of order. Not that you shouldnt have testified. She should but you should have come before the actual document. Witnesses came to testify because cranach are logically what you want to build is a story you want to talk about david pecker the caching kills. Then you want to move into the idea of, well, here is Karen Mcdougal or Stormy Daniels on these issues and what actually happened that theyre alleging, then you bring in the keith davids to talk about the ndas that are happening, then you talk about all right, now, here is when it gets to the meat of the matter. Now, nobody asked my opinion. I would think they should have, but they didnt ask my b on how you actually do it. But the chronology is important here. And really, i think it doesnt matter at all whether they believed that they actually had sex. What matters is that donald trump believed that she was going to go public with the alligator and that Michael Cohen believed so and that there was a structure surrounding her to ensure that they could stop that from happening . Thats going to be the crux of the issue. Everything else certainly has colorful, but i dont really think the jury is that prudish. I mean, i think anyone clutching their pearls about porn and donald trump and silk pajamas these are adults and grownups who know that sex happens. And i think that tabbing the conversation is not going to have them recoil as much as you thought it wasnt so salacious. And The Missionary Position and the word condom that was basically the actually painted a picture which may be none of us want to know of. But, but theyre there much more, much more salacious testimony or let me ask you, because journey crossexaminati on, the defense as daniels, about a story where shes she signed in and she Public Statement saying she that there was no sexual encounter with donald trump. She did this with as, part of this deal. She also talked to me about that. I asked her about it during the 60 minutes interview on the stand today, she testified she was motivated. Sayyed, the nondisclosure agreement by what she said was fear not money. This is what she told me back in 2018 i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation because you fear if your safety, theyre going to think that you saw an opportunity. I think the fact that i didnt even negotiate, i just quickly said yes to this very strict contract and what most people will agree with me, extremely low number is all the proof i need. You feel like if you had wanted to go public, you couldve gotten paid a lot of money to go public and it out it out. I know for a fact i believe without a shadow of a doubt. So you signed and released a statement that said, im not denying this affair because i was paid and hush money. Im denying it because it never happened thats a lie yes if it was untruthful why did you sign it because they made it sound like i had no choice. You have no one was putting a gun to your head, not physical violence. Now you thought that there would be some sort of legal repercussion if you didnt sign back as a matter of fact, the exact sentence used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. So i mean it consistent then uh, now, do you believe ultimately it comes down to who the jury believes . Well, if im the defense attorney here, suzanne niclas, fantastic. And the courtroom, in my opinion, you may be in this trial for real, like in other words, thats admissible. That statement is admissible. They have the ability to show that and show to the jury. Okay. So when were you lying, you know, what youre lying, then youre lying now look, i agree with everyone has said here so far, i had to call her even though the law is material witness. So if she didnt show up shes not a material witness. The judge could not sign a warrant for her arrest. She does not give any evidence that the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. She just gives a motive, basically for donald trump to want to do this, but they dont have to prove motive. But they had to put them forward. What i was surprised about was as much as they must have prepared are anderson, they must have prepared her for hours and hours and hours is how everyone describes her as being a nervous wreck when she first took the stand, how playing with our hair and talking so fast and the judge slowing it down. I was surprised about that. I was surprised about the light i couldve objections from the defense. I was kinda shocked that they didnt want seems like Prison Former President Trump was also as well because the cara was aging. Is that yeah, which is normal. And then when you talk about him being chastised by the judge, any defense attorney who represents someone of the caliber of President Trump, meaning someone who really is with it because whats going on, ive had those moments where my client is cursing under his breath and the judge calls me. Judge merchan, what are you supposed to do . Hes supposed to say, listen, i know your guy is frustrated. I know he wants to stand up and say liar. Thats not true. That didnt happen. But he cant do it if he wants to testify later, but you gotta get them on control. And judge merchan did the right thank by spreads doing a man on the other side of that. It wasnt just trump who is being scolded i mean, Stormy Daniels in addition to being urged at least four times to slow down because the Court Reporters couldnt follow her. And even in the room, like you would hear her or give an answer and you could it didnt always land when she was trying to be funny. She was talking too fast because you say she was talking talking so quickly like when she said that her response to having dinner with trump was f off, it was kinda hard to hear her initially say the first part of that she kinda jumbled it. And then at two points after the judge spoke to the prosecution, he reminded Stormy Daniels to answer the question she was being asked because they would ask these wide ranging open question fins and she would meander and tell a story, but just kinda give the full picture instead of just answering, you exactly what happened. Im a very fast talker as you guys know, i cant tell you how often in court ive had a Court Reporter say, slow down to make sure because theyre the ones trying to transcribe the actual intonations and sound its not like a verbatim transcript but there are oftentimes when sometimes your witness can be all the more sympathetic because they keep being interrupted and slow down and either all the more selfconscious and can actually entered your benefit as a strategy in that because that person continuously is being told to stop and slow down. But remember also the judge, the judge criticize the defense said, i was surprised you had not been object getting more and he had unilaterally objected on their behalf because they need to preserve the record if they dont object, they dont have a chance later on and neck was i think at one point said, well, i thought because you hadnt been saying anything, it was okay. I mean, i dont know what kind of lawyering that is. It suggests i was going to wait for the judge to object before i object, they gotta be on their feet and actually, im client as surprise, gentlemen that they did not have more speaking objections, at least to try to play to the jury objection. Were going to hear this testimony and get chastised. Relevance, your honor. Objection. Objection. Relevance, your honore. Well, they just have the conversation at the bench about the parameters of her testimony. And so what Suzanne Nicholas said, what i thought you said this was okay. 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This is sienna there is a central irony Stormy Daniels testimony today had the former president not denied their sexual encounter, much of her more revealing testimony, whether it was illconsidered by the prosecution, are not simply would not have been called for at all because much of what she testified to in court today, she already said when i spoke to her in 2018460 minutes i excused myself and i went to the restroom you know, i wasnt there for a little bit came out and he was sitting on the edge of the bad when i walked out perched and when you saw that, what went through your mind i realize exactly what ive gotten myself into here we go and i just felt like maybe it was sort of i had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someones room alone. And i just heard the voice of my well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen. So you deserve this and you had sex with him . Yes you were 27. He was 60. Were you physically attracted to him . No not at all. No. Did you want to have sex with him . No but i didnt i didnt say no. Im not a victim. Im not it was entirely consensual. Oh, yes. Yes again, in the form of person, denies this and against from daniel say repeated much of it on the stand sometimes in more vivid detail that the Defense Calls actually for a mistrial, seen as john berman has been looking through the Days Parcel Trial Transcript reported reported from court today, he joins us now so what more did she say . Whats one thing i want to note this very important for the first time today, we do not yet have the full transcript of the Testimony Part of the reason might be because Stormy Daniels was speaking so quickly that its taking them some time to process it because the Court Reporters to play have to catch up to everything that was said. So what im going to read to you now is what are reporters inside the room . Theyre contemporaneous account of the moment where she discusses the alleged Sexual Encounter Anderson and its very similar to what she told you. And the reason were doing this. And i think kaitlan can testify to this because she was in the room is to give people a sense of just how anki comfortable. It probably has sworn in exactly. If i do it, im not okay. So story daniel says she walked out of the bathroom as she told you, i felt the blood leave my hands and my feet almost like if you stand up too fast, i thought, oh, my god, what did i misread to get here at first, i was just started like a jump scare. I want wasnt expecting someone to be there, especially minus a lot of clothing sitting on the bed and boxers tshirt the intention was pretty clear. Somebody stripped down to their underwear and is posing for you. He stood up between me and the door, not in a threatening manner. He didnt come at me. He didnt rush at me, nothing like that. Next thing i know, i was on the bid. I had my clothes and shoes off i removed might brar. Were in The Missionary Position. I was staring up at the ceiling and i didnt know how i got there. I was trying to think about anything other than what was happening there. Again, thats our account from the reporters who were in the room. We dont have and the first thing were going to look at when we get the transcript, which could be in the next few minutes, is how many objections . This took place during that part there, how many times the defense try to stop that account . There were a lot from just memory of being in there, especially at that part right there at the end where she was getting into the real details because thats exactly what they had talked out with the judge beforehand and the judge said theres no need to get into that kind of detailed. This is in a Sexual Assault case. It isnt anything like that. And so they kind of had set that parameter and then she was Stormy Daniels, not really the prosecution leading her to that answer. She took it in that direction and so they did object at that point. And this is really where i mean, to describe the atmosphere in the courtroom. It was like all the oxygen had been sucked out of it. Everyone was just sitting there, was kind of similar to what you said last friday where we hope pitts was testifying. It was just all you could hear with the keyboard clicks as everyone was typing up this moment and also watching trump with bated breath to kind of see how he was reacting, whether his team was going to object, and really how the judge would respond. I think the judge had the last time i was in the court, i barely noticed the judge the judge get a real presence today because he had such an involvement in what testimony was allowed and what should be said in the courtroom. She has told this story many, many times, including an a book. I mean, shes, shes and whats striking to me is that its very consistent time time after i dont good thank Anderson Cooper is going to be a star in that courtroom was different because she doesnt make it sound when she spoke to it, anderson, that the blood drained out of her and she blacked out and she didnt know what was going on. It was much more dramatic here with adnan since she was once you wont matter of fact, i came out what i get myself in sufficiently different too. Merit crossexamination. Its but theres gonna be something in the book. Therell be at least five, susan as old data marles, susan that he just had. She mentioned the Blackout Thing before jeff. I dont think enough that im not that im aware of, but i mean, thats just thats not a big deal. I think so. I think saying i almost blacked out. She didnt say years ago when anderson interviewed, but now years later, shubi oh, yeah. And i almost blacked out to clarify, for this i mean, i know theres thats why they were have been on their feet and should have been on their feet objecting because everything about this is Probative Versus prejudice judicial. They dont want to have prior bad acts, even brought in if he were to take the stand because you dont want the jury to be looking at things that are down there pervert a liar though is show her that she is a liar. I hear you on that, but theyre stronger argument perhaps on appeal is going to be excuse me. Youre going to have at somebody on a falsified documents case suggests that there is something that is non consensual, almost the point where the person is not saying they had been assaulted, they are saying clearly they have not, but the insinuation is out there. They have said repeatedly tied. Blanche was saying, you cant unring this bell, you cant unring this bell. Jaime . Im gonna go in front of this jury and have them forget these moments, whether it is a matter of the black nothing she using Kinda Colloquially in terms of i was trying to focus on Something Else or it was the idea of something far more nefarious that information as a Defense Counsel is the last thing you want to make good use. Anderson stapes. And so you told him sing cooper. It was absolutely so well be consensual. There was said it was right but they engage. System, okay. Manner. So even subpoenaed for this trial im sure they have that tape in their arsenal as well as the book, as well as all or other statements i agree that it was my impression just receiving this information from outside of the courtroom. I dont know what it was like for the jury, but it seemed like a big rabbit hole, especially coming off of a day when they were they were supposed to have been getting at the heart of what this case is really about. Im with laura, like i dont understand why Stormy Daniels came after the documents. I mean, maybe the idea was to keep people interested in what was going on in the case. But but the Distraction Factor here, i dont see how that helps the prosecution necessarily when they need the jury to be focused its on their ability to prove the elements. So certainly overshadowed the earlier testimony in the morning, which was actually quite interesting from the serbs sure thats thats, yeah, were theyre really good research. Words back to him. Saying, yeah, i dot every i, i, you know, i know wherever breaking news this just didnt we just got the full transcript. Okay. I can give you some of the objections here. We dont have the graphics to go with it but this is the section i just read with the objections in question was can you briefly describe where you had sex with him . So there was a direct question. She says the next thing i know was on the beds somehow on the opposite side of the bed from where weve been standing. I had my clothes and shoes off. I believe my brar, whoever was still on we were in The Missionary Position, ms niclas to objection . Objection there. The judge says, sustained question without describing the position, do you remember how you got your clothes off . Answer. No question. Is that a memory that has not come back to you . A question mark. This is from the defense objection. The judge sustained. Question from the prosecutor. You dont at this point remember, is that correct answer . Correct. Question. Did you end up having sex with them on the bad . The answer, yes. And then they begin he begins a question, do you know do you have a recollection of feeling something unusual that you have a memory of objection. Sustained the question is, what if anything, do you remember about anything other fact you had sex on them badge. Thats what she says. She was staring at the ceiling. I was trying to think about anything. Then theres another objection. Sustained. I move to strike. The answer is stricken. I think because theres an niclas is a good lawyer didnt go does she is going to spend more time . And she has already started spending more time on the issue of money than sex on this idea that this was an Extortion Attempt rather than an attempt to just however she she described it as well. Thats right. I mean, shes that i think is a much more profitable route for the defense, than nitpicking about how she described the second nate and started that was Keith Davidson when he was testifying the attorney who broke her this agreement, they were saying that he helps extort other celebrities. Thats the allegation he pushed back on that obviously, and they brought that full circle with her today, basically trying to make that argument. Its very clear where theyre gonna go on thursday and thats a much better argument then you didnt describe the sexy exactly. Not listen, youre going to just try to make her a lawyer. Lawyer from and doing in classified documents, trial where new order from judge Aileen Cannon gave him a major win and judge cannon its critics, once again, questioning her handling this entire case from Meat Free Monday to sunday so many ways to save life, ready, while it happy. But 3605 by whole foods market, did you know sling as your favorite News Programs for just 40 a month my favorite news, but just 40 a month . My favorite for just 40 news for 40 a month. Sling lets you do that we put our heart into everything we do. We are Farmers Bakers flourished, and makers who grow and create with a passion. What 800 flowers share with love if you look closely around the bag, youll find a clue as to where these delicious pistachios are from. Well done sherlock. 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Trial judge Aileen Cannon indefinitely postponed it the trial was scheduled to start may 20, and now it may not happen until after the election. Judge cannon did it. She says to resolve a series of pretrial motions that defense is made leaving the trial now without it, an actual trial date, her order also includes a new hearing on what had been thought a longshot bid by the former president s defense. They want records from multiple agencies as well as the white house to argue that those agencies are part of a politically motivated prosecution special counsels office is called the discovery request. Frivolous from a federal judge. Sure. Shine line joins us now what did you think of her ruling . I think she doesnt want to try this case, and i think she doesnt want to try this case before the election. Thats a fact shes got eight pending motions. Why doesnt she have four . Why hasnt she decided at least half of these motions they could have decided them by now. At least some of them, at least half of them may be more, but shes slow walking the case and it seems so apparent hey, that shes doing that. Look, some of these motions are hard what to do with classified documents and how you handle them. Thats hard. Some are easy. And to find out what the Justice Department is doing behind closed doors. Nobody is going to grant that. Thats a silly motion saying the Jacks Mission be appointed. Thats a silly motions, frivolous. So some of these she could have disposed of and then she could say i have four left and i can set a trial date for july. But as it turns out, i have eight pending motions. I can possibly try this, maybe july, maybe august, but we all know that means september and its going to be too late if there are what she called novel and difficult legal questions involved in are there well, giving her all the shadow of the doubt, certainly theres something novel about how you handle certain things about classified documents when youre a former president although i think its pretty clear how youre supposed to handle them. But also jack smith is an unusual case because hes never been confirmed by congress for any post. And all all the other special counsels have. So theres a slight distinction there with respect to jack smith versus the others. But its not such a hard motion. Anyway, its different, but you distinguish it, you move on. So i dont find that any of them are that difficult, are they novel . Yes. Novel does not necessarily equal difficult. Geoff and somebody good for trump. Oh, my god i mean, and if if you look at how she has done this case the only question i have is whether this is in competence or partisanship, or both, because i mean, just for example, and the judge can perhaps i dont want to get too deep into the weeds here but one of the motions she initiated was trying to settle the issue of Jury Instructions this is something you do, right before the trial begins why she was messing around with Jury Instructions when she has this long list of other motions to resolve, just suggest to me she has no idea what shes doing or shes just making stuff theory. Theres another theory. It could be ranked in security. Shes new on the bench. She has not tried a lot of high profile are difficult criminal cases. And maybe she just doesnt get it. What makes sense to do of course, Jury Instructions should not be handled now, so they should be handled before the trial starts. Everyone knows nothing three of. Those options are really awful. Like for if its insecurity, if thats true, thats true. Can i ask you a question . Sure. Obviously i appear new york and in case of this magnitude, when you have someone with a lack of experience like this, judge has she go to the lunch room or whether it was a young male judge are young female judge and say can youve been doing this for 25 years . Can you give me some guidance . What do you think . What are your thoughts . You know, when someones insecure their lease . Likely to seek advice. I when i had been doing it for 20 years and i had hard case, i would ask everybody, what do you think . How would you do it . I want the advice of my colleagues that i respect and that were senior or at my level. But when youre brand new, maybe youre two and secure to get the help you need. So i dont know the answer to that. How many clerks di again . Lawyers working for you for the judge . I suspect she has three. You get two. But many judges give up a secretarial position or a Clerk Position to get three. So she probably has three. She has a lot of power to decide these motions and one weird thing about this case is that even though shes in the Southern District of florida which includes the miami courtroom, which is enormous lot of judges. Shes in fort pierce essentially by herself which i think contributes to the isolation and perhaps the insecurity. And they just the, the absence of Lunch Partners to ask questions to, which is yet another reason thats a good, this is where you could actually like call something i was just going to say i was going to say telephones or what do you like an adventure . Telephones are two centuries old a zoom is one centrioles. So yes, she could certainly make contact. Sorry. I mean, i just wonder about jackpots. There was a lot of discussion at the beginning of this. Jack smith and his prosecutors, theyve checked off a box that made it a lot more likely that she would end up getting this case. They wanted to do this down in florida i dont want to put words in their mouth about why, but was that a miscalculation at the end of the day, they end up with one of the most green judges out there trying one of the most difficult, you could argue cases involving a former president , but it isnt a single judge district, right . There was still a chance thats very very few, but not a single judge district would, which has been criticized certainly in the Abortion Case recently, just in terms of todays trial, judge would merge. John was clearly bothered by the level of detail where were some of stormer daniels testimony when im wondering if you were the judge and how would you have handled it . I think much the same way he did. Not only did he sustain objection after objection, he made objections. Im going to judge, does that you know, theres a real problem going on. The material that came in was not relevant to this criminal case at all. And i think it shows that she was trying to get trump actually thought there was a motive there. She said she hates him she said shed like to see him in prison. I think she was purposely throwing out this stuff to make sure the jury, jurors were prejudice, particularly the women jurors, but probably half of the men to really put off. But they may have been put off with her because she was too obvious in her efforts to get at him so what is judge of seeds me, but this judge talks about the idea of the cure here is not the mistrial requests. It would be crossexamination. Did you buy that as a way to cure this and couldnt instruction doing anything to undermine if she in fact, was trying to be that type of witness crossexaminati on is tricky and im sure arthur could talk to that. You dont want to bring it up again, they dont want to reopen it and have her repeated all and thats a big risk. And if you ask about some of these things, hes going to go through it all over again. So that leaves us with a limiting instruction. And you can tell the jurors all you want. I dont want you to Pay Attention to this stuff that was not relevant at all to this case. And the jurors are going to go uhhuh. Then theyre gonna go in the jury room to take tea do you believe what happened in that room . She didnt even consent to this thing. Theyre gonna do what theyre gonna do, limiting instructions i think are the one instruction thats rarely really followed by a jury. Do you think that trumps attorneys had a point about calling for ms today . Well, its not a baseless motion, but hes anxious to granit mistrial as he is to jail him for contempt. He doesnt want to do either. Obviously, its the worst outcome for the judge and the standard is can the defendants still get a fair trial . Thats the new york standard for granting and mistrial and hes vincent that with a limiting instruction and with admonishment, this will pass because peoples memories short and when, by the time youve finished six weeks and by time you sum up all the evidence, it might fade. And so he really made believed that he can still get a fair to blend. The other point is both both the prosecution and the defense ultimately are good lets say, a lot of this is just irrelevant. Because it is to grant a mystik trial over something that is fundamentally not relevant to the core issues in the case, but it seems like a bad about the word prejudicial though it was quite prejudicial. Paint him in that way are made you think there should be oh, no. Granting a miss trial yeah. No, im not going that far. Im saying hey, there are certainly it was prejudicial it was irrelevant, but prejudicial, it slammed him. It made him a creep appellate problems for sorry. Yes. Yes, i do i do. I think theyve got to make a good record to preserve the issue at angular going to raise it again at the end of the trial, and then theyre going to raise it so when you say miss trial, thats for the record, absolutely. That it gives the raises a red flag or a white flag to the Appellate Court saying, look, i thought this was so bad at trial. I asked for a miss trial i tried it when im on trial, i try get at least one mr. Oil de. Im serious, like five and avenue a day because most of the time we lose youre on appeal know my law firm so you are always in the judgment. Tell you you always get exactly. You always guard that record as powerfully as you can. The most powerful thing you can do is move for a miss trial, but its one of the most illusory motion since its almost never granit, correct . No, judge. Wants to start all over again and certainly not in this case, the end of the cation chief though, theyre going to call a motion to say it say to the judge, look, theres not even need for us to go to the jury. Theres not even need this offense always the case based on what youve seen so far in the presentation of evidence would you even entertain that motion from the defense to suggest they have not even come close to meeting their burden . No, i wouldnt. I dont think id entertain the motion seriously, but were talking a little too early. I want to hear the rest of this witnesss testimony. I want to hear Michael Cohen. I want to hear the case before i make a decision thats what judges do. Shine line. Its always great to have you. Thank you so much. Were going to be joined by a Courtroom Sketch Artists so were now she even acknowledgment from trump today in court at Fisher Investments, we may look like other money managers, but were different. 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Then take back whats yours could help you save more in lieberman at the pentagon. And this cnf as don, trump walked into the courtroom this morning, de yet of his trial, he spotted our next guest, whos a fixture in that courthouse and said hello to her. Shes one of the brilliant Sketch Artist whos witnessed a lot in her decades long career. Jane rosenberg is with us along with their panel again, im so excited youre here and i sat behind you last week and i was just stuck and at your artistry and how you bring these images to life. So turn away and two minutes later, turn back and youd done an entire portrait of donald trump just today. What stood out . I mean, are you aware of the tension in the room or do Pay Attention to the testimony thats being given i Pay Attention. To i recall every bit of it at the afterwards. No. I have you know, its in me, but its not like at the surface, im concentrating on drawing thats my primary sense. The sort of electricity in the room. Do you hear though the typing today was one of those days like same as hope hicks today without day, i was there. I couldnt hear as if it happened again today. Well soon as a big witness, they have a good witness in the morning, but they didnt nobody cared hey mine and became so so youve seen trump obviously a lot. He he did he say hello . Said hello today . He doesnt always but he he does know who i am. He see me in dc and florida every picture and its on television. Of course, he knows who i am i, guess it was. On. The cover of new yorker magazine. He saw that i worry about how he thinks shes being portrayed not so much is base. I do worry about because ive gotten some strange emails from people who dont like the way i portray him or family of his wherever it was fascinating because when i watched you last week, you would you draw on him and then just at the end, you took out like a very bright color and did like the bridge of his nose and also there and it was fascinating because it sort of brought the whole image. So life, yeah, thats i work from the darks to pull out the lights in the end. Thats how i work. My papers kind of a darkish, a tan like a gold. I look, you have an entire array of a pastels around. Youd like you set up, which is incredible best part of my job, i was looking for like, what colors you use for trump and there wasnt like im not saying this is the orange. Yeah. I thought it would be like an always because you have like a black section, you had to agree. No. I had a Little Orange section, but hes not really fully arent my paper is kind of orange . Yes. Your paper is dark, like what his skin tone is, not true. Have you ever gotten like called to the carpet by a judge after a trauma like come on just frozen. We have done a better job at me. Have you ever gotten in trouble now . Da, are i mean, you always draw me as a big jump, right im like war with eyes real basis round about way at j leeches, objecting to leading but also have these glasses that are like Special Forces Officers and you click down. And theyre binocular but vision as well or just oculus, i think just okay, theres a Prescription Blend on them so i can i wear glasses so i can you use that . Are you looking at trumps face directly . Youre looking to face in the monitor if i could see him directly, im going to draw it, but theres all those Court Officers and ct officer and the way i have to check that monitor. Thank god for that. What do you think about cameras . Come on . Asked me back what i thought, but i just wanted to chat. I choose which emotion to capture all the things to it. Maybe youve got some commentary from the base, et cetera. How do you choose what emotion youre capturing in your drawing of say, trump, or even a witness whatever emotion theyre exhibiting like today during crossexamination, stormy was like, really attitudinal. She was like turning away and look very add to know, thats what i have to capture. Whatever im seeing wouldnt give you started a sketch of her, say the beginning of her testimony, and then all of a sudden morphs into this attitude all right good. Thank goodness. I had finished my last sketch and i was ready for this new one because that happens a lot suddenly, something changes and i have to, but i saw on a new piece of paper and i saw you last week, you had somebody in the background one minute. And then all of a sudden you just wipe them away. I do that. That happened, is that easy its a. Decision was at him. You right yeah. Courses for the record, they were many at least four of james has already see my in my house between my house, my dads house, and my office. Shes brynn. Has there been a moment in a court not this case, but just in general . At some point in where it was so dramatic or so moving that you stop, that it really got to you not in this case, but yes, ive ive cried i can remember susan smith trial was a woman who drowned her to her two children, little kids. I had a child the same age. I was traveling out of town and north or South Carolina away from my little kid and it was hard for me and i heard the testimony of what some a child what happens to them when they drown . And they were screaming, mommy, mommy as she just let them strapped in their car seat in the back of the car and rhoad the car in the lake. It was really heartbreaking for me. There are other things ive seen. I walked i did george floyd. I had to watch him di over and over. 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