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Continues. The source with kaitlan collins starts. Now see tomorrow straight from the Source Tonight, republicans now accusing ukraine of interfering in the u. S election because President Zelenskyy just went to Pennsylvania Pena is the House Speaker, now says someone needs to be fired Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman is here to respond and Vice President Harris Tonight, as far enough a message and for Donald Trump in a new interview, hear her response to him saying hell be Womens Protector if hes reelected. And tonight theres even more secret Service Turmoil well, after an agent is now on leave over allegations of Sexual Misconduct against a staffer for Vice President harriss campaign im kaitlan collins this, is the Source Battle in the battlegrounds as planned hanging out tonight as Vice President harris is laying out her economic plan in pennsylvania while Donald Trump is talking about his in north carolina, at one point in that speech, referring to harris as a quote, one woman economic wrecking ball. But after he went after his opponent in the 2024 race, trump dedicated part of his speech to packing another world leader, lashing out at ukrainian President Zelenskyy for saying in an interview that trump quote, doesnt really know how to stop the war, even if he might think he knows look at the War And Ukraine and i think its something we have to have a quick discussion about because the president of ukraine is in our country and hes making little nasty aspersions toward your favorite president , those cities are gun, that gun and we continue to give billions of dollars to a man who refuses to make a deal. Zelenskyy he all of this comes after zelenskyy visited an Ammunition Plant in pennsylvania. This earlier this week, where he was thanking workers who are making the critical munition munitions that are being used in his Countrys War against russia. He was there as you can see here alongside pennsylvanias democratic governor, josh shapiro. But that all set off a firestorm on Capitol Hill today, where the republican House Oversight Committee chair james comer said hes going to open an investigation into the matter as House Speaker Mike Johnson directly accused Zelenskyy Interfering in the 2024 election and demanded that he fired the ukrainian ambassador to the u. S happened and i have four nation interfering in our elections. I think thats what amounted of course i should note as we are taking all of this in, that trump himself has hosted a series of World Leaders at maralago in recent months and recent months and recent days, really, that includes the prime ministers of qatar, hungry and israel and im joined now by democratic Senator John Fetterman of pennsylvania, senator. Its great to have you here. What is your response to House Speaker Mike Johnson Tonight Calling for calling for President Zelenskyy to fire the ukrainian ambassador thats what the expression is. Thats even beneath the kinds of things that he has said and done. And now that that committee and incredibly ironic because theyre using that commission for absolute political kinds of things just like that. And id like to remind Everybody Trump actually truly filmed Campaign Videos literally in the White House. So thats absurd and its insulting to the pennsylvania workers that work as part of the foundry of the where they make these kinds of munitions that help keep ukraine free on that the president was just there to thank those people and now to turn that into some kind of political thing, its a disgrace. And I Cant think anything that I Cant say im shocked, but its just absolutely pathetic before we all go out in session and now get with before the election, they have to end on that kinds of and what johnson is Speaker Johnson is arguing is that not just because he went to visit this arms made about picture on your state, but the fact that he did so with governor josh shapiro, obviously, a big harris surrogate. Hes arguing that theyre going to a swingstate this close to the election is as he put it in his letter to zelenskyy, election interference. Do you think that visit had any kind of Campaign Undertones to it youd be surprised how many people in pennsylvania really could care less what he thinks and even understands and knows about any of this. Hes trying to turn this into an issue and its just was zelenskyy visiting to thank the workers that made some of the munitions that kept ukraine free. And thats all it was. And its just pathetic. And remember, they are on the team that filmed campaign, their own campaign commercials literally in the White House and they were proud of that kinds of thing. So when the House Oversight Chair, youre in the senate, but over in the house, the House Oversight Chair james comer says, hes asking for documents and letters. You dont do believe that investigation to go anywhere oh, no. I think im just like he was going to impeach Joe Biden and all this other stuff just like, hey, you know, like, oh no, please. Im begging you, please go easy on us representative there are certainly republicans in the senate that still support arming ukraine and sending ukraine funding to help them from a political perspective though, in any Normal American would support arming ukraine on that. When i grew up, we all, we all understood that russia was the bad guys. And then trump developed this kinds of connection with putin. Ill never understand that. And then now enough for the republicans now decided to turn against ukraine. And thats a disgrace and that is profoundly unamerican. And i actually they met with members of the Ukraine Community earlier today and i said, I Cant explain it myself, but my my vote, my voice, and we all leaned in to deliver the kind of critical aid that helps keep ukraine free. And those kinds of munitions in that factory that they visited just a couple of days ago and theyre trying to turn this into like a said political theater. And like i said, its all beneath both of them well zelenskyy seems to think its kind of too far gone if it is Trump And Vance who are elected today, he was saying to the New Yorker that advance is too radical and that trump he was saying essentially it doesnt know what hes talking about when he talks about ending the war, but but i do want to ask you because Vice President harris was in commonwealth of Pennsylvania Today pitching voters on her plan for the economy. And of course, out of the tell you that inflation is the dominant issue in your Home State because its 20 points above any of the other matters that voters are looking at. Abortion or immigration Donald Trump still has the advantage though, on inflation in the economy. Why do you think Vice President harris hasnt been able to change that even as inflation has been coming down well, actually inflation is down significantly though thats all been addressed now its down back to the lowest level decked but in March Of 2021 on that. And now lets also talk about the other incredible economic things like this stock market. And then all of the Unemployment Rate and all of those things. And now ive been saying this consistently since 2016. Its going to be very close in in pennsylvania and thats not going to change. And now were at that same conversation and i dont have anything, anything sexy to say. About or spicy. Its just i do think harris is going to prevail and now its going to be, its going to be close. And I Cant understand why some people might want four more years like trump, but there are a lot of supporters of his in pennsylvania. I witnessed that. Im going all across pennsylvania to talk about that and just tomorrow night, im gonna be at Butler County to rally democrats, then on saturday night, im going to somerset another Red County to rally democrats and were going all across pennsylvania and being in the kind of rooms that No One Else wants to be in. And maybe campaign. But were going to show up and were going to fight for every vote across every county across pennsylvania you mentioned that youre going to rally democrats. There was a moment in her Speech Today that seemed to be met to rally maybe some republicans. I want you to just listen to what she said today in pennsylvania look, im a capitalist i believe in free and most companies are working hard to do the right thing. By their customers and the employees who depend on them and we must work with them to grow our economy senator, you can almost expect to hear a probusiness republicans like Mitt Romney of the past saying something like that. And when she says that it, she says, you that she wont be he constrained by ideology. Is that kind of signaling enough to reach out to some disaffected republican voters yeah, well, of course, thats what a normal candidate talks. And the kinds of issues that they addressed. And of course, trump is talking about eating dogs and eating cats and geese and now, could you so imagine if harris said that if i lose its, its going to be because of the jews, the kinds of absurd things that the republicans and trump are saying. And if you, anyone that listens to any of his speeches, i wouldnt even call that i wouldnt it would be it would be actually a complement to call. Hes being uncertain, serious i mean, its just bizarre rants and it just goes in no particular direction and ive watched one with the original israel event. And when he was in indiana in the same county, i was in just a couple of days too, and I Cant really make sense of what hes talking about except he likes to say the word beautiful a lot of times now its like the media has to confront this. You have one candidate, candidacy like ours, talking about issues and making an argument for a new way forward and trump. Just says bizarre things and i get its a Double Standard and its absurd with some of the things that trump is saying. And hes not being called on these things. Yeah. I mean, trump has said, jews who dont vote for him should have their heads examined. Catholics who dont vote for him should have their heads examined. I mean, weve definitely covered all of that, but on that, im curious when youre out on the ground in pennsylvania, why is this race so close then if its that kind of contrast that you just painted there been saying i describing it is the choice. Its the choice people that now havent already made up their minds are going to be like, what do i went for four more years on that and i do believe that enough people are going to realize that harris is the kind of duration that we want to go on. And it is going to be very close. Just like what happened in 16 and 2020 when Joe Biden happened to pull it up by 80,000 votes. Thats an incredibly small margin. And i would expect that its going to be a small margin. No ones going to run away with it in pennsylvania unless you have like a Month Robinson kinds of situation. And we will my gosh. But even then, im not sure really, theres not much left. Trump can say or do to himself that hes already filed himself with and now it where were at, its going to be close and very competitive. And thats why for the next 40 some days, im going to be across us making that argument all across pennsylvania and the kind of counties that we have to jam up to make sure that Trump Isnt able to create the kinds of margins that he did had in 2016 and tried to actually produce back in 2020 close and competitive that is safe to say Senator John Fetterman, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you for having me also. Were hearing new reaction from Vice President Harris Tonight talking about what trump said at that rally recently that he would be Womens Protector if he has given a second term more highlights from that we are so low interview of hers. 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So look, i think the thing about Donald Trump, trump is that you know, i dont think the women of american need him to say hes going to protect them. The women of america need him to trust them can we trust you yes yes i am not perfect. But i will tell you im always going to put the needs of the people first i want to get straight to the Source Tonight with the national cochair of the harriswalz campaign, mitch landrieu, great to have you here. You heard harris, you know, she doesnt do a lot of interviews and so it was notable to hear from her a lot of it focused on her economic plan lands what you heard from her there tonight, as weve heard from voters undecided voters who say they want to know more about her. Do you think she gave them enough answers in that interview . I thought she had a great day today. She did two things. She had a very detailed, thoughtful, commonsensical approach to her economic Plan Today and then tonight, she sat for what everybody we considered the be a really thoughtful interview where she answered lots of questions, lots of details, and i think she checked a lot of boxes today. When you look at that j. D. Vance responded and said that every time she does do an interview, he said, and this is his quote, every time she answers a question, i think we gain about 100,000 then boats. What do you make of the question . I mean, voters dont have as much as many questions about trump. You can, as you heard fetterman saying, you know, these are not fair comparisons here, but they do want to know more about her. Well, id say two things. The people who know Donald Trump, the best, like him the least and people who have worked for him have admonished us and had said to those, please bring him back to the oval office. So its understandable that people want to know more about her. She has been in office though for over 20 years. She has an incredible record. She has traveled this country. She laid out her Agenda Today in very specific terms. And the one thing that is really so different about these two people because they both talked today, they both supposedly gave economic speeches trump, you could not understand and he didnt really speak about the economy. She gave a thoughtful coherent advocation of what her thoughts are about why the middleclass is going to be the mainstay of the future of america. And i think she did very well. Mr. Mayor, i want you to Stand By because we are are getting some Breaking News just in to cnn New York Times is now reporting that new York City mayor Eric Adams has just been indicted tonight by federal prosecutors. Its still under seal as of this hour, so were still waiting on a lot of the details here, but this comes as there has been a flood of resignations in his administration. And of course, we have seen several of them in broiled in investigations from his administration. The phones seized by several of them, including the Police Commissioner, the school chancellor, the Deputy Mayor several officials in his administration. This has all been going on as today, We Saw Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasiocortez, one of those prominent voices in the democratic party who doesnt often get involved in the politics of new York City on the local level, calling for atoms to resign, saying she did not see how he could continue to govern the city. He responded to that by saying that he had not faced any charges yet of course. Now, tonight, we see that he has been indicted i want to get more on this Breaking News with cnn legal analyst jennifer rodgers, who is joining us and devote obviously were still waiting to learn a lot about this. But, but what the New York Times said is that this is coming after that federal corruption investigation. And its just notable given this is coming three years after he promised to help come in to rein in corruption. What do you make of this Indictment Tonight well, its hard to say kaitlan about seeing, of course, which the investigations hes been indicted and theyre actually i think for federal investigations going on, not necessarily into Eric Adams personally, but the into either him or people in his administration. So its hard to comment before we know which one, but i think its fair to say any indictment that is faced by the mayor is likely to result in his resignation. You just really cant run the City And Face federal criminal charges at the same time but thats for more than that will set to wait and see Southern District Of New York has i think three of those investigations, the Eastern District Of New York has the other one. So whether it relates to the Campaign Finance allegations or whether it relates to the potential Bribery Case that surrounds some of the people who are highranking officials in his administration. Well find out more when the indictment is unsealed, how soon do you think that could happen . Because that is the question here given there has been this shroud of investigations and Phone Seizures and searches that have been happening from people close to him. I mean, it was a year ago that i was last on this show. Weve talked about this. How soon could we seen the details of an indictment like this i think well see it very soon now, once that the news has broken, theyve probably were working on facilitating some sort of surrender instead of trying to go do an arrest, that sort of thing. So now that its out in the open, but i would expect it to happen really soon. So as soon as he is technically arrested and appears in court than the indictment will be unsealed and well see what hes facing. I mean, as soon as likely tomorrow. Well, i mean, thats a great question because how do you go about indicting . A mayor . What does that what does that look like for prosecutors behind the scenes it looks the same as any other case. I mean, theyve been investigating, obviously collecting evidence, talking to witnesses as we know, Executing Search Warrants and seizing devices. They put their case together, they go into the Grand Jury with their witnesses in the federal system, you can actually use a summary a witness who plan testified to hearsay, you can put in one age or from the fbi who would talk about the whole Investigation Everything that you should crown during the course of the investigation, then you ask the Grand Jury to vote and you have your indictment and from there its just a matter of getting your ducks in a row to figure out how the irreparably executed or how the surrender there will happen. I think if they actually have an indictment in hand, they will have moved to the technicalities of getting him under arrest and into court. So thats why id say now that this news has broken, even if they were planning on doing it a few days from now, i think theyll probably move the timeline up and go ahead and try to do it tomorrow. Jennifer, Stand By and just for our audience, we are covering this Breaking News as of this hour as the New York Times is now reporting that the new York City mayor, Eric Adams, has just been indicted following a federal investigation into him. Were still waiting to learn more details, hoping to get those any minute now, i do have Andrew Kirtzman on hand longtime new York City political insider, and weve always talked a lot about Rudy Giuliani and his downfall. Thats happened in recent years. But on this news tonight, i mean we had scheduled to be on the Show Tonight to talk about the wave of resignations that were seeing happening in new York City, aocs call for adams to resign. What do you make of this Breaking News . I have never seen a an Administration Collapse so quickly. Seems just as a slew of Law Enforcement actions, youve seen his raids of his of his age since Police Commissioner quit it has just been a steady drumbeat for the last several weeks so the rumors have been swirling around Eric Adams. There have been no reports that have directly tied him to any of this. So this Indictment Isnt that respect a surprise . Well, and look at this. I mean, the list for people who havent been paying attention. This is kinda happened in a drip, drip, Drip Fashion new York City Police Department Commissioner had his phone seized. The sheena wright, the first Deputy Mayor phone seized. The Deputy Mayor for public Safety Phone seized the Special Adviser to him, subpoenaed his campaign. Treasurer, had the fbi raided her home a few months ago. I mean, this is pretty remarkable after his Police Commissioner boars forced to resign, the man who adams picked to replace him had his Home Rating i mean, this has been within days. Within days, this has been kind of a carnival of corruption going on in new york, has never seen anything like this since the days of jimmy walker. I mean, Ed Koch had a scandal, but Nothing Thing that has risen to the heights of the administration to this extent, and nothing with a kind of sweep and the breadth of that. Its itll take your takes your breath away. I mean, i just mitch landrieu. I you are here as a harris surrogate. So but this is Breaking News. You are the former mayor of newark youre lindsey. Youve let a city you know what its like and what happens. Just from that perspective. What do you make of this breaking . Were just learning about this. Everybody surprised and shocked by it, even with the information about the previous investigation. But this is really terrible news. Its obviously terrible for him because the feds dont wrap somebody up. This prominent without him evan substantial evidence, but its also terrible for the city of new york, of course, is one of the great cities of The World. This is a very traumatic thing for a city to go through. Its going to be very hard and theyre youre going to have to fight your way through it. Yeah. And of course, hes a retired Police Captain and he knows the city well, that was held what helped post him and bring him into office when he was elected, mr. Mayor standby, andrew as well because we do have seen its chief Law Enforcement and intelligence analyst, John Miller here with us, john, what are you learning about this indictment of the former new York City of the current Harrak City mayor. I should note well, kaitlan as stated a moment ago, this is something that is not unexpected. This federal investigation has been going on for many months. It started when the mayor was in washington visiting the White House and learned that the home of his Campaign Treasurer had been raided by the fbi and since then, weve seen a flurry in separate kind of flurries of subpoenas, demanding records and what theyve been looking into is allegations that the mayor excepted either upgrades to firstclass on Turkish Airlines we have heard that they are investigating reports that he got free trips from the airline to multiple cities around The World cities other than turkey. And that the theory of the case was that turkish businessmen allegedly bundled Campaign Contributions by having their employees make it within the legal limits, and then allegedly paying them back, particularly the owner of the Construction Company the Vice President or the former Vice President of Turkish Airlines was also interviewed by the fbi in the predawn hours. And his home and devices searched so this has been something building, but as you know, from prior cases, all of this hinges not on. Did you get Campaign Contributions that money go to a pac . But was there a Quid Pro Quo then in return for these goods, services, benefits, that you do something. And that has focused allegedly on the obtaining a certificate of occupancy for the turkish consulate or the turkish mission to the United Nations particularly before the president of turkey arrived to do the ribbon cutting. And redtape had to be cut from the fire department, from the Buildings Department to get that done . But in americas defense, what hes always said was thats what you do for constituents when they ask for a favor, you talk to the officials and say how can this be worked out . An arrangement was put together where Fire Marshals were posted on floors there must be something in this case for this to come together and result in a federal criminal indictment allegedly handed up today, unsealed tomorrow goes beyond what weve heard that tie these things together in that conspiracy do you think given the web here of other officials in new York City that have had their communications ceased or their homes or offices searched and do you think that means we could see other indictments of other officials in new York City government yeah. But kaitlan, its complicated because what youve got is three or four cases here. Case Number One the Fbi Investigation into the mayor. That is what we are seeing come to fruition with this announcement tomorrow. Case number two, the u. S. Attorneys investigation been with other investigative agencies, including the irs, into the activities of the Deputy Mayors, the school chancellor, and as you mentioned before, timothy pearson, this Special Adviser to the mayor. And that seems to center around allegations that particularly for Migrant Services and other things that nobid contracts were steered to friends and then there is the third investigation into the Police Commissioner, the former Police Commissioner, ed gabon, who allegedly may have been working with his brother in his twin brothers plot to allegedly Shakedown Manhattan Night Clubs in order to decrease Police Enforcement so thats the mayors case. The Deputy Mayors case, the Police Commissioners case. Then theres the fourth piece, which is a foreign influence case, being run by a different us attorney in brooklyn into alleged foreign influenced by china, by recruiting senior official in the Mayors Office, similar to that case We Saw with the governors aide. So theres a Traffic Jam of investigations, subpoenas, searches, devices being seen. But this is the first Thing Weve seen that will actually result. We are told in a charge being brought forth tomorrow. Yeah. I mean, just the breadth of what youve just laid out and the multifaceted part of this investigation, this cloud that is hanging over the government here in new York City. I want to go to elie honig. Are cnn senior legal analyst, who is also here joining us. Elie just whats your reaction to this . First off . Okay. When it shocking to see the sitting mayor of new York City indicted important for people to understand. These are federal charges brought by the Southern District Of New York. So there is no overlap here. There is no jurisdiction that Eric Adams has over this office just to give you a sense, though, of how close it will hit two home, i used to walk to the Southern District new york. Id walk past the Mayors Office. Its maybe 200 yards away, so its a very small world down there in Southern Manhattan now as John Miller just said, it looks like there will probably be a Court Appearance Tomorrow in Federal Court at that point, we end. Eric adams will see the indictment, so then well know exactly what hes charged with. The other thing to watch for. And we remember this from a few weeks ago when Sean Combs was indicted in this same district, is will there be a Bail Argument . I do not think federal prosecutors will try to lock up Eric Adams. I think its borderline impossible that they will ask that given that he is the sitting mayor. And even if he wasnt, but lets watch for that. Lets see whether they agree to let eric got him is out on bail. I think its likely he will be bailed, but then hes going to have to contend with this indictment either way. But elie, i mean, that in and of itself is remarkable that you are even saying that well see the mayor of new York City in a Courtroom Tomorrow as this indictment is being unsealed, which i should note, he gave a statement to the New York Times tonight and said, and im quoting him now, i always knew that if i stood my ground for New Yorkers, that i would be a target and a target i became if i am charged, i am innocent and will fight this with every ounce of my strength. And spirit sure. And to your point, kaitlan, not only what we see Eric Adams, the sitting mayor in a Courtroom Tomorrow in lower manhattan. We will see him sitting at the Defendants Table with his Criminal Defense Lawyers by his side, and he will enter a plea of not guilty. He will be advised of the charges against him in the indictment as to his claim that he hes being targeted because he is the mayor. New York City has had mayors for hundreds and hundreds of years. Of course, he is the first one to be charged while sitting in office. So thats a fund to ever be charged while sitting in office. Hes the first is the first sitting mayor to be charged in new York City in the history of the city, and kaitlan, by the way, one thing i should add here the Southern District Of New York, the office thats prosecuting this federal prosecutors has a long history of Prosecuting Corruption Crimes In The City and the state of new york, just within the last several years. Thats the unwise has successfully prosecuted the top democrat in the new York State assembly, Sheldon Silver and the top republican in the new York State senate. A guy named dean skeletal. So the Southern District Of New York knows how to do these corruption cases. They usually have them buttoned up by the time they get to this point of an indictment. Will walk us through what this looks like. If you are a prosecutor in the Southern District Of New York and youre leading up to this. Obviously, prosecutors should use discretion, with every every indictment that they bring. To indict a sitting mayor of new York City, which as you noted, has never happened in the history of new York City. I mean, what is the bar like for something like that . Im going to put this real and scientifically for you if youre going to charge the sitting mayor of new York City, you better be damn sure that you have the evidence on him because if you dont, it will be a disaster. Know look, as John Miller laid out, there were a lot of indicators, not so subtle indicators over the last several months pointing in this direction, a series of subpoenas, Search Warrants, charges of other people around the mayor. But the big question that we now have an answer to is were prosecutor is going to be able to link all that to the top guy, to the mayor. It does happen sometimes that youre investigating a case and you have a lot of smoke around an individual, but you cant necessarily tie the key player, the boss, the mayor, whatever it may be into that criminality. But we now know that the sdny does believe it can do that and ultimately prove it Beyond A Reasonable Doubt to a unanimous jury. By the way, of New Yorkers of a Jury Pool that will be drawn from and happened in the bronx and the other northern counties. So they better be darn sure. And in this charge, if theyre going to bring it yeah. Elie Honig Standby because we are continuing to get updates by the moment here, i want to go back to John Miller, who is with us. Also as we are just getting this news in, John Miller, can we just talk more about the investigation . Themselves and what this looks like in the fact that the allegations regarding what any gifts he accepted or what he accepted from turkish officials in exchange for official Government Business and what that looks like is there, theyre getting the phones and whatnot of other officials around him i mean, what do we know about what they would after go go after the mayors device himself. Would they take a step like that as theyre pulling together an investigation like this well, kaitlan, as you remember, in something that was equally unprecedented, the after searching his Campaign Treasurer is home, the mayor came back from that trip to washington and then two days later was approached by Fbi Agents on The Street who separated him from his security detail. Highly unusual then asked for and seized his phone his other phone, City Hall, then turned over a ipad and another device voluntarily after that so theyve been going through that. What does that mean . That means that they have access through subpoena to his telephone Records Text messages, emails things like that . But i think from an investigator standpoint, when they did that, they wanted to get into that phone to say what lives just on that device. Are there notes in there are there apps that they Cant Access because theyre encrypted by using subpoenas to the provider that they can see things on telegram or a signal, or whats and so on. So they have been through his devices during a period contemporaneous with this, but to other points important for right now one we will learn about these charges tomorrow. When they unseal this indictment and bring it forward, it is not entirely clear here whether the mayor will be in Court Tomorrow or whether theyll unseal the charges and then by arrangements. Understanding that he is the mayor of the largest city in america and has a very important role to play and is innocent into approve it until proven guilty, that they may have to schedule an appearance possibly war someday next week where he goes before a magistrate and answers these charges and then the an initial appearance. Yeah, thats a great question of what this looks like because clearly hes making it obvious in his Statement Tonight, he wants to fight whatever charges are coming John Miller standby everyone. I think his statement tells us a clue to the defense, which is i stood up for new york, so what we get there is that preview, which is i yelled at the White House. I fought washington and suddenly im the target thats the preview were getting by that statement. Yeah. It seems like a sign of a defense to come John Miller standby because were getting Breaking News every minute of this hour as we are now learning that the new York City mayor, Eric Adams has been indicted according to the New York Times, were gonna have more for you. Were going to take a quick, quick break i got news for you saturday at nine on Cnn Thursday Night football on prime. Its fun the dallas cowboys night football, street Thursday Night football 00. Brought my little miracle is beckett day we wouldnt be where we are without st. Jude. And in turn, we wouldnt be where we are without those people that have donated bids to credit. We know you need to fund your business on time when businesses good, it could be time to expand, time forbids to credit when bills are piling up, you might need extra cash to get ahead. Time for Vista Credit our fast and convenient online process makes it easy to get the funding you need when its time to take your business to new heights. 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But what we do know is that this comes after a monthslong federal investigation into a Campaign Fundraising violations. And foreign influence. The mayor is expected to have several days to turn himself in. Were told. And i should note hes previously denied any Wrongdoing And Tonight in a statement, Eric Adams says this quote, if i am charged, i am innocent and i will fight this with every ounce of my strength and spirit. Weve got a slew of political experts and new York City reporters here with us tonight as we are covering this Breaking News, elie honig, i want to start with you. Just give it and we were just talking about the idea of mayor adams having to turn himself in. Were hearing from sources that he would have several days to do so. You referenced an investigation into Sean Diddy combs that We Saw play out where he was arrested himself. How does that work out behind the scenes where they make this decision of letting the person turn themselves in were going out and actually arresting them thats a good question. Kaitlan, the short answer is its always subject to negotiation as the prosecutor, you can really make one of two decisions. First of all, we have to grab this person, put hands on his person right now. Hes a danger. He is a risk of flight that was clearly the decision that was made with Sean Combs a couple of weeks ago, alternate particularly you can decide this person is not going to flee. This person is not an ongoing danger to the community, in which case you can negotiate a surrender and a Court Appearance of few days down the line. It appears from the reporting you just talked about that thats the way this one looks like its going i think it makes sense. I dont think theres any realistic quite Eric Adams could flee and i think given that theres an indictment, it would be incredibly foolish of him to try to commit some other crime or obstruct justice and John Miller is also standing by with us. John miller, can we just for those who are just joining us on this Breaking News and stunned by the fact that this is the first time a sitting mayor of new York City has been indicted. While in office, walk us through just the main piece of this investigation that we know as they were looking into to foreign influence and foreign ties and the mayor and those around him so this began many months ago with a series of Search Warrants against people connected to the mayor. The key Search Warrants was at the home of a woman named brianna scruggs, who was his Campaign Finance manager. She controlled about 19 Million in contribution another search was done at the home of a turkish business man, the owner of k s K Construction where they were looking for evidence that he as the owner of the business, had gotten employees to bundle Campaign Contributions to the mayor, which he then reimburse them for allegedly in violation Campaign Finance laws the meantime, weve seen other City Hall officials from the Mayors Office including an individual named ronna get to that last name. His liaison to the turkish community and the United Nations also have Search Warrants and subpoenas issued dude the Mayors Office dismissed her saying she had allegedly asked other people to get rid of records. So weve been on this slow bill, but the essence of the case, kaitlan, is that between a cadre of turkish businessman and the turkish government, the mare received free Airline Tickets free upgrades to firstclass trips around The World and may have allegedly pushed the influence of the Mayors Office to get a Certificate Ticket of occupancy for the turkish mission to the United Nations, which the president of turkey wanted to cut the ribbon for it so what we see here is a lot of allegations, a lot of smoke, what we have not heard in any of this discussion is anything about what the Quid Pro Quo was. If you do this, ill do that, which is almost repaired, bring a Bryan Murray of Bribery Charge or anything about a bag of money . Yeah. A lot of this is stuff that occurs in the course of politics, which is why the mayor has come out Swinging Tonight saying, if i stood up for new york, i knew they would come from me. In essence. Yeah. And obviously well want to see closely what they lay out in this indictment. Obviously, theyll often cite the allegations, pieces of evidence there standby, John Miller because we have the perfect person to ask about this tonight is the former mayor of new York City built a blasio who is joining us mr. Mayor just first, your reaction to the first time a sitting mayor of new York City has ever been indicted tonight kaitlan, i have two reactions that they probably sound different from each other. One is, of course, Shock And Concern for our city. And then another is a very strong reminder that innocent until proven guilty is the american way. And you know, i went through an experience with the Southern District where i saw a lot of things that did not come true. This despite allegations i do think we have to be really careful here. We havent seen anything specific. We dont know what this is yet. We havent heard a defense, so im feeling very, you know two different feelings at this moment. Yeah. And that is an important reminder. Of course, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. And mayor adams is making clear in his Statement Tonight in response to this this indictment that he will fight he says, if hes charged, obviously it looks like that is imminent. In this situation, but but mr. Mayor, just as someone who ran this city and governed it to see what we have seen since last november when that first search of an aides home happened to what weve seen happen. Its almost headspinning to try to keep up with whos resigning, whose phone is being seized . 2s home is being searched. In recent days, new people are being hired and within days of being hired, their phones have been seized by investigators just speaking to that, that is obviously not normal and that is how the Adams Administration has tried to portray. This is just staff turnover. I think you can speak to the fact that thats certainly not what youre used to seeing know, its painful to watch is the truth. And its very worrisome. I think. First we owe to the mayor, again, the presumption of innocence because thats how our system works. And again, i get to size. I have seen from prosecutors at time ambition and other factors that led them to do things that turned out not to be the whole truth. So i dont think we should say because a prosecutor does something thats the whole story. Thats why we have a court system. But that said i respect the mayor. I think it is absolutely urgent that hes stabilized things, that he give you yorkers a clear message about how hes going to make sure that the administration has strengthened that this difficult moment he can do that. A mayor or any leader could do that in a moment of crisis, but it takes leveling with people and saying, yeah, we have a tough situation here. Not sugarcoating it but heres what im going to do to fix it. Heres what to do to handle it so that everyday New Yorkers needs are taken care of and obviously the primaries are coming up in new york. This is a political season. I mean, youve done this job and you could speak to just how difficult it is, how wide ranging it is. Can you do that job if youre under federal investigation, federal indictment, i should say well, i think its a valid question, but it also begs the point im raising that if someones accused of something and they didnt do it thats not a reason for them to lose their job so the real question here is whats the underlying truth again, im coming at it with two very different perspectives. One, deep concern for the city and recognizing how hard it is to do the job even in the best of times but to one point kaitlan, 2016, my administration was undergoing five simultaneous investigations which resulted in literally nothing. No indictments, no charges, no nothing so we for a year, we lost an immense amount of time and energy dealing with that. But in the end, there was nothing there. So i think its im sorry to give you a nuanced position, but its the truth if he truly believes hes innocent, he has a right to stand up and say that and keep his job. But he does owe it to New Yorkers to explain how hes going to navigate that reality and provide leadership. We need. Its possible, but he has to be really clear how hes going to do it. Youre allowed to have nuance on cable news. Mr. Mayor, thank you for joining us im like that about you thank you. Thank you for joining us. I mean, it is just stunning news and i think youre the perfect person to hear from us. Thank you so much, mr. Mayor, buildable as you were going to take a quick break, but were going to have more on this stunning indictment of the sitting mayor of new York City, something thats never heard happened right after this wait is over. 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Do you have andrew its been still here with me a longtime new York City political Journalist And Consultant can we just first talk about were heard from former new York City mayor de blasio saying in everyones innocent until proven guilty, hes holding his fire on this but Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasiocortez called on Eric Adams to resign today there is going to be 1 Million questions for governor hochul, for senator schumer, for leader hakeem jeffries, whos very close to atoms, to all weigh in on whether they think you should resign, right . And thats exactly right. And i think its going to be a fascinating political situation and a very tense one. So Eric Adams is only the Second Black mayor new York City, and he is never been reluctant to play the Race Card when ever attacked a note whenever accused of any ethical Trans Transgression of which there have been many instances he just played it today when aoc called for his resignation, its going to put a lot of white politicians on guard and its going to be a lot of pressure on Chuck Schumer on kathy hochul, the governor, and on President Biden, right . President biden called on cuomo to resign and the werent even criminal charges against him will see what happens. Yeah and i should note, President Biden was here in new York City today. They were both at the met. We dont know if they actually spoke, but well be watching all this closely. Andrew kirtzman. Thank you for being here with us on this Breaking News tonight. Thank you so much for joining us. The news continues right now On Cnn