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We will get to that conversation in a minute. The former National Security advisor has a link the excerpt lengthy excerpt of his book online. Trumphe writes the conversation with xi reflected not only the incoherence in a trade policy but the confluence in trumps mind of his own political interest in u. S. Natural national interest. Trump co. Mingled the personal and the national not just on trade questions but across the whole field of National Security. I am hardpressed to identify any significant trump decision during my white house tenure that wasnt driven by reelection calculations. Martha raddatz has an interview on sunday. The network released clips of her interview. Here is john bolton talking about Vladimir Putins perception of President Trump. Describeuld you Vladimir Putins relationship with trump . I think Vladimir Putin thinks he can play him like a federal. He doesnt think he is faced with a serious adversary. I dont think he is worried about donald trump. Donald trump sees himself as a dealmaker. The president may well be a superb dealmaker when it comes to manhattan real estate, deal estate. Anding with Arms Treaties dealing with many other interNational Security issues are things far removed from his life experience. When you are dealing with someone like putin who has made his life understanding russias strategic decision in the world, against donald trump who doesnt enjoy reading about these issues or learning about them, it is a very difficult position for america to be in. Host from the abc interview that airs on sunday, the former National Security advisor. President trump tweeted that the book about the book after midnight the book is made up disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was esther size and happily dumped. Ostracized and happily dumped. What a dope npr and other publications reported that the white house is theping trying to stop publication of the book ahead of its tuesday release. Lawsuit filedvil by the Justice Department against bolton alleges that bookcation of his 592 page would be a violation of nondisclosure agreements he signed and compromise National Security. The White House Press secretary yesterday talking about this lawsuit. Is why they went on that path, that is a question for doj, but this book is full of classified information which is inexcusable. Former National Security advisor john bolton should know all too well that it is unacceptable to have highly classified information on the government of the United States in a book that will be published. It is unacceptable, has not gone through the review process, and that is where we currently stand. Comment on this, we do not believe bolton has gone through the process and he is in violation. The on this legal battle, Washington Post Editorial Board free speech, not National Security is at stake in Donald Trumps absurd lawsuit. No selfrespecting judge would order the book halted. Painstakinglyked with the chief classification official to scrub the book, a process that can resumed for months. Insisted themp book should not be published before the november election and nonsensically, that all of his conversations with mr. Bolton were classified. Another Trump Officials swooped in to assist that further review was necessary, reasonably concluding the administration was using the pretext to silence him. Carl, a democratic caller, what do you think . Caller i know bolton is getting a lot of criticism, but what we should realize from this book is just how bad off we are as a country. We have a Major Political party in this country who basically has displayed how corrupt they are. They have allowed power to corrupt them. Their values and principles, they vanished. They dont care about any of this. We just want the power. Whether or not he testified or not, they were still going to acquit him because all of the managers have the power. , especially in the senate, to put people on the bench because they think if we can put judges on the bench that are far right, we can control the society of this country and the future. It is about power, and i dont know where we go as a country when you have someone that has gone to the dark side like this, in the future. I just dont know what we are going to do. How do you make that adjustment in the future . Host lester in tuscaloosa, alabama, your turn. Caller good morning, how are you . Host good morning. Caller it is so funny how every time something comes out on trump, he loves to block, try to go to court to stop it i dont understand this guy. The American People are going to have to wake up because if we dictator, tater everything he has done has shown us he is no good for the United States. Host willie in belleville, illinois, independent. What did you make of the relevant in john boltons book . Caller john bolton was a former employee of the government and he did sign a disclosure agreement. To release a book right for the election is interfering in the election. Voted for theyou president in 2016 . Caller no, i didnt. Host why not . Who did you vote for . Caller neither one. Host how will you vote in 2020 . Caller i have not need a decision. Made a decision. Host do you like some things trump has done while in office . Caller some things. Host what are they . Caller how is how he is cracking down on illegal trade with china, how he is trying to get businesses started back up in america. Thats basically it. Host did you read this part of the book that the New York Times was quote features mr. Bolton adds a striking accusation by describing how mr. Trump overtly linked tariff talks with china to his personal fortunes, by asking president xi to buy Agricultural Products to help him windfarm states in this years election. Mr. Trump stressed the importance of farmers and increased purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. They were able to do an interview with him yesterday. The wall street journal did says the president did not deny the trade negotiations as mr. Bolton said in his book. What he had more of to tell the wall street journal thever the present wall street journal. Mr. Lighthizer was testifying before a house and Senate Committee yesterday about trade policy. We covered both of those hearings so if you missed it, you can go to cspan. Org. Trade representative defends china deal trump dislikes. Robert lighthizer expects trump china to fulfill its promise to buy 200 billion in American Goods and services this year, despite its slow start amid the coronavirus pandemic. Chinese authorities bought sizable amounts of u. S. Agricultural goods including one billion worth of cotton and publicly reiterated they plan to comply with the phase one trade deal they signed with President Trump in january. Elaine in hagerstown, maryland, republican. Caller good morning. I will try to remain calm. From my experience working in a classified area, any book, that is known to have , itsified information in it has to be reviewed thoroughly, word by word, phrase by phrase, sentence by sentence, and there is no way that this man should have ever released this manuscript or the book, because he has committed treason. The same thing as with Hillary Clinton doing with her server in her basement of her bathroom or wherever she had it. Host do you recall how long the scrubbing process takes, from your work . Post says john bolton went through scrubbing for four months with the National Security council and it was later on the white house argued, in an attempt to stop him from publishing the book, that more information that more review was needed. Caller they found classified information that should be released shouldnt be released. That is all. There are a set of people where i worked who review these manuscripts word for word and by sentence. And they usually come in the usually in the margin did note what classification it is denote what classification it is, if any. This man has committed treason because if anybody else did the stuff he has done, they sign a disclosure to begin with. Host we will go to north carolina, charles, asked tony a, democrat gastonia, democratic caller. What do you think of the book . Caller i think the book is truth telling because most everything that came out in the impeachment is coming out in the book. It is a shame that he did not testify about it and now he is going to come out. I think it is going to hurt him in the election. To hear what this lady just said about classified, it is nothing but the truth. The truth has come out. You cannot keep on hiding and lying. The truth has been out. Bolton just released it where all of it can be told the way it really was up in there. Donald trump is not going to be president ever again because we dont need this. Man has been lying ever since he has been up in there. It is time for him to go. We need a new president. We dont need another liar sitting in the white house trying to get away with things he has gotten away with. Host more comments from our viewers on facebook, here is morgan logan i never liked him as an ambassador to the u. N. He is a warmonger. Trump made a mistake keeping him on. Pointed in john bolton. Hisen in new york texted book and forces all that we fear about trump, that he will go to any length to win. Imagine what trump would tweet if this book is about a democrat biden . Patriot heere a true would have come forth during the trial. Matus,ed silent like kelly, and others. Pathetic, and patriotic and unpatriotic. Jerome in d. C. , what do you think . Caller i keep repeatedly theing, even from yourself, john bolton made this accusation and that accusation. What is in the book that supports any of it that can show it is the truth, other than it being his opinion, his viewpoint . Putind, for example, feels he can play donald trump like a fiddle. Pruden saidsure that about every american leader,s putin said this about every american leader, so how is it exclusive related to donald trump . Host irene, red oak, virginia, democratic caller. Caller yes, good morning. I am glad to be on the show to talk. I didnt vote for donald trump but i always liked him in the apprentice, in the show. I am originally from brooklyn and i moved from to virginia. Hasnt think donald trump the character to be a president , but he is good for being on television for doing the apprentice. He has not brought this country together. He is always saying what he did for black people, and im a black woman. He has not done anything for me. If i did anything, i did it for myself. I used to be in corrections but i worked with the police department. He hasnt done anything for me and my children, i did it for myself, so that is one thing i dont like that he says. What do we have to lose . We have a lot to lose. Even though i vote democrat, a lot of the democrats have not done anything either. Host we are talking about john bolton who served as National Security advisor for 17 months in the trump administration. His new book out will be published next week unless the white house can stop him. Usa todayr 2019, had this headline xa john bolton has deal for book that may publish before the 2020 election, and it says the same Literary Agency that represented james comey and the anonymous author of a warning, helped bolton when the 2 million deal. Simon schuster published the book and they are publishing other books about the president , upcoming bux this is from books this is from the wall and this isal not the only explosive book. A book written about melania trump, and the next month the publisher will release an account of the trump family history. It is written by mary trump, a relative of the president. Scheinman and susan Simon Schuster says that shines a bright light on the dark history of their family. James in mississippi, good morning. What do you think of this book . Caller i think that mr. Bolton a splitof like personality. On one hand, he wants to be a republican and on the other ofd, he wants to be a person doubt sometime. My main point is this is not your only book. The book is about the president of the United States of america, but it is not just the president. It is everybody around him. People are focusing on this president , about what he is doing, but look at the people that are supporting him. So if you saynow, this book is fake or whatever, everybody in President Trumps cabinet knows who he is, know what he has done, and other countries know. It is the people over here that do not understand it is time to became aand bolton orocrat for everything, republican or independent, this voting two parties in control, he let you know them days are over. We need a republican to watch over the democrats. Look at the man from utah, whats his name . He stood up, he is a republican. Host mitt romney . Caller the woman from arizona, those are real republicans. If you cant exposure own, how are you going to talk about somebody else. I notice how they talk criticized previous president. Now his whole household, this is part of his house. Everybody that is criticizing him, and these people still cant see. God is telling you something. Young people are telling you something. Phaseave gotten to a where they have said do not go to a convention, because that makes sense. He is saying the president will be reelected and now he is going to arizona or utah or wherever to have his campaign. Host oklahoma . Caller not to go because of this virus. Host understood. The New York Times, nbc news, wall street journal, Washington Post with excerpts from mr. Boltons book, able to preview it. From the New York Times the president never tired of assailing allied leaders and came closer to withdrawing from nato than ever before. He said it would be cool to invade venezuela. To almost mimic the authoritarian lawyers he appeared to admire. Explained why he was building concentration camps, trump said he thought it was exactly the right thing to do. Stop red mr. Barr to prosecute john kerry and what he considered a violation of the logan act. Mr. Trump disputed he gave his blessing to mr. Xi to keep building camps for muslim minorities. Mr. Trump has been considering them,ons on china for more than a million of whom have been detained. Thats not true, mr. Trump said, about the conversation with mr. Xi. Mr. Trump pointed out that he signed sanctions on wednesday. I could have killed that very easily, mr. Trump said. Shelley in spartanburg, South Carolina, what do you think of this book . Caller i dont think much of it i it. I would say we dont have to worry about the russians were chinese destroying our dutch or chinese destroying host james, democratic caller. Caller i believe every word in the book, even the fact that i have not seen it. I believe john bolton belongs in jail because he is not just a disgruntled attorney wanting revenge, he just wants all the money he can get. He doesnt want anything else. I believe everything i hear about the book and because im sure it is all true. This old man, he should be put in jail because he stood should have stood up during the impeachment. Host we will take a look at the reaction on capitol hill from lawmakers. The minority leader, chuck schumer, it was clear it could not be any clearer now, the vote to convict him remove donald trump from office was absolutely the right boat. Vote. The revelations in boltons book makes Senate Republicans craven actions on impeachment look even worse and history will judge them for it. He assisted letting americans know his congress was ruling on whether he is fit for the title. Mr. Bolton sat on that information to get a book deal. No heroes in this story. Trump spit in the face of the dutch america to flatter a dictator. Tragically, it is also an extension of his partys growing illiberalism. I amtative debbie blanking on how to pronounce her last name rights whether it is wavering on venezuela, seeking democracy, or entertaining deals with foreign advisories that undermine free and fair elections, the pattern is clear trump stands with dictators and authoritarians and deserves to be one. Doug collins wrote 2 million, that is all it took for john bolton to sell off his credibility. Senator rand paul donald forp deserves a gold medal exposing as disreputable the war caucus led by john bolton. Regime change everywhere was always a very stupid and dangerous idea. Testifying in the impeachment proceedings, mr. Bolton writes in the expert excerpt this is not in the hardcopy he says these and innumerable other similarly conversations formed a pattern of fundamentally unacceptable behavior that eroded the legitimacy of the presidency. Had they not been so obsessed with their ukraine blitzkrieg had they taken the time to think more systematically about the president s behavior come the impeachment outcome might well have been different. Randy, broken arrow, oklahoma, republican. Your opportunity to tell washington what you think of this book. Caller it is just more trash against our president. Since he was a legitimate president , you guys have come after him about everything. If you think this book is a people takingan , thenory in seattle whoever picks your stories and news stories should really examine their bias. We need something that is positive about our president. Every morning i have listened to you since my kids were little, and they are all grown. Two served in the marine corps. Now i have a news agency in msnbc, even fox news is getting on the bandwagon , everyone is slandering this president every day. Pick something that is positive about our president or maybe you could do an expose on joe biden. Maybe you could look into the just,andal that you guys once trump was acquitted you guys just dropped it and picked up the next hateful thing you could find about our president. It is shameful and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. God less america. I will less america. Bless america. Host john boltons book is dominating national newspapers, decisionmakers are talking about it, the president has acknowledged it and put out tweets with the washington the wall street journal. We are letting you know all of that, and only here on this program do you get to call in and tell washington who is chattering about this, what you think of it, only here on this show. Thats why we do it and thats why we are having this question. Mike, oak grove, missouri, independent. Caller good morning. I have already ordered my book. It will be here the 25th. Book a shame it is a written by a scumbag about a howbag, but the book shows is trying tol barr help donald trump stop it. They have been going over it for four months to find anything that shouldnt be there, and they cant finddonald trump sayy conversation he has with anybody is classified. S. Know that is b i think it makes all the republicans look bad who voted not to impeach him. As far as randy goes, the last put somethingg to good about trump on television is ridiculous because he does so much more bad that he does good. It is easy to look at the bad he has done. Randy, he was even attacking good old fox news because every now and then they show the light. My book is coming on the 25th nices bookrumps makes it out, because who know what a scum he is better than family . Post knowsashington the Justice Department seeks an emergency order to block the bolton book. In Justice Department got order to block the publication of boltons book after the administration filed a civil suit against bolton, asking to delay the june 23 release. Less than 24 hours later the wall street journal released her neck cert of the memoir released an excerpt of the memoir. Asdays move sought to legal strategy expert said it was unlikely to succeed, especially given it has already been printed and shipped to warehouses and copies distributed in the media for review. Stephanie in brooke linick, democratic caller. Good morning. Caller good morning, how are you today . Host i am doing fine. What you think of the book . Is an unpatriotic man as well as our president. During the Senate Hearing he should have testified. He knew this president was a crook. He knew this president was jeopardizing our country, our National Security, and people who defended trump, they are getting angry with the reporters , getting angry with the news, getting angry with cspan because the truth of trump is here. Everybody has known it. This president will be a one term president because god and everybody is seeing this is a devil that came upon this world and made darkness. Weve been in darkness for the past three, four years, and it is time for us to shine. Have a good day, greta. Host michael in new york. Independent. Caller good morning. The book was nothing new. I watch the show regarding a lot of the reviews i hear. Bias and lack of education in america. More people should watch cspan then some of the other politically motivated shows that show the lack of awareness most americans have. Think the book is nothing new that most people do not know. Have a good day. Host the book along with the s book ares niece amazon bestsellers even before the release. Democraticon, ohio, caller. Caller good morning. I think it is admirable that so many in the administration, whether it was omarosa or chief of staff taft kelly or general kelly chief of staff or general mattis are taking steps to make this happen and let their thoughts be heard. This is key democracy. While i am a democrat and support democrat initiatives, if a candidate on my side was doing this, i hope their staff would also come out and talk about all of this. It is key to our democracy to have that done. I am shocked at what the president has done. I am not shocked. This is what we have seen from him before. I think it is worse than other impeachment inquiries i think it is worth other impeachment inquiries and i pray for our country. Im grateful to the administration for being open about what they have experienced. Maggie in South Carolina who sends us this text. Mr. Bolton is a liar if my president says so. Chris in birmingham, alabama with the text. Really, john bolton . The love of money is the root of all evil. You should have said all that was in the book to congress. Another from billy in boston. This is not saudi arabia. You can express dissent about an administration you disagree with. ,oanne in minnesota disappointing and lowers his credibility. A bitter man i used to like. Sheila, what you think of this . Caller thanks for taking my call. I am terribly disappointed cspan is asking what you think of his book . Nobody has read it and it has not been published. Yet they are all saying everything is true in the book, he is this, he is that. Could we not just once go over all of the things good that have happened in this country from the economy to the Justice System to all of the good President Trump has done . Like him or not, the man is sometimes crude and does not speak like the polished politician we had last time, but the man is trying to straighten out this country. It is a sad thing when people come onto the program and call him every name in the book, and then they wonder why he fights back. That is how you fight people that are against you. He is trying his best. They blame covid on him, they blame everything that has gone wrong in this country on his administration, when nothing is said about what was not done in eight years of the previous administration. This racial divide could have obama,xed under barack but he decided he was the Division Champion of the world. This nonsense of black versus white and republican versus. Emocrat needs to stop if were are going to have a good country, we have to Work Together and stop this constant he did this, he did this. It is your opportunity to say that on this show. You cannot believe this book because you think President Trump has done a number of good things during his time in the office. Can you tell us those good things . Caller has he not done something about the Justice System . Who is the woman he released from prison that was unjustly imprisoned . Laws not trying to get the so people with minor infractions are not put into jail for a long time . How about our economy . When was the economy as good as it was . When were there so many people employed . To these people want to go back to 12 unemployment . We had a good economy. Trump not just because was doing things wrong, it was because he was doing something right. We need to understand that. He is not perfect. Everybody knows that. He is trying to get this country to be prosperous. And for everybody to be prosperous, not just white, elite people. He wants everyone to share in the american pie. It is wrong people are saying everything in the book is true because theyve never read it. I have not read it so ive no opinion on the book. I know bolton was a warmonger. They must remember that. He was offered going to all of the wars. Interested, the wall street journal has a lengthy excerpt from the book online. Wsj. Com. There is on your screen. Iowa. In sioux city, the room where it happened is the title of the book. Darren, what do you think . Caller i am not shocked by what was said in the book. There been 70 different books written. I am not shocked. I wish people would really see what is going on. It is getting frustrating with all of the stuff going on with the protests. Black lives matter. I want people to understand we all want this world to be better , but we need to have somebody who leads. I do not think trump is leading. I think is i think he is behind. All of the books are saying theres something wrong. If we do not figured out, no one else is. Gym in new york, republican. Caller good morning. I am struggling with cspan. I used to love watching it. What is bothering me is not whether you are biased on air or not, it is anytime there is something that could be a negative toward trump, you are so quick to bring it to the when the things like Robert Mueller investigation has fallen apart, it took you a couple weeks before you started talking about flynn. You do not balance it out. When there was unmasking of people, i thought cspan will cover it. It takes two over three weeks. When trump has something negative you are starting to publish it before it even gets into the system. Quickblem is you are so to find anything negative with trump, but it takes two or three weeks to bring out something when mullers investigation is falling apart. Thatou dragged to covering , but when it is something negative about trump, you are right on the spot . Whoever is making the decisions of what you cover i wish they would reconsider that and try to balance it out a little bit. Dont think your observation is accurate but we take it nonetheless. Marco rubio, a senator from florida, republican, tweeting about the president signing the sanctions against china for the human rights violations, saying today President Trump signed into law our human rights policy act which holds china accountable for grotesque human rights violations. That was wednesday. A democrat from virginia then revealed President Trump chinese construction of concentration camps for its Muslim Minority population was exactly the right thing to do, quoting from john boltons book. Republican. Ryland, good morning. Caller hello. Good morning. If bolton work for the administration, there should be nothing about any policy. The book should not be published if he is providing anything regarding the security of our country. If the department of justice ands this way, i like barr i think it should again be reviewed. All i can say as to the american it becausenot buy youre just supporting antitrump. He has been doing a lot of great thing for our country. I will be voting for him again. A white female republican, 52 years of age. I see how they brainwash my children. They turned my children into crazy thinkers. This radical leftwing. Host kathy, new jersey. Democratic caller. Caller i do not know why anybody is surprised. He has been almost treasonous since the date he got into office. I do not understand why not one republican will stand up for the United States of america. One of my Founding Fathers helped write the constitution for the United States and i do not understand why not one republican will stand up and be an american. None of them. If everything he wrote in the book is correct, which i believe it is, why didnt anybody stand up for the United States and for the people, for us . Not one of the republicans will ever do that. I do not understand what he has on all those republicans that will not be an american. Host are you referring to the impeachment proceedings . Caller everything from the day he got into office he has been treasonous. Jersey. Thy in new her sentiment is echoed by adam schiff, who let the impeachment proceedings for house democrats. He tweets notwithstanding john boltons unconscionable delay, his allegations are serious. They demonstrate trumps impeachable conduct with ukraine was part of a clear pattern seeking personal political benefit from foreign powers. History will judge republicans harshly. Weve been said through this before, adam schiff. You could have subpoenaed bolton but you are too obsessed with the calendar. You botched the impeachment. It is over. Move on. Andrew in miami. Independent. Good morning. Caller hi, greta. How are you this morning . Host i am doing fine. What are your thoughts on john boltons book . Caller i have not read the book. Have a comment on is the state of the country. Im curious as to what these republicans who are saying what is an cspan report more positive things about trump . What are the positive things . Failed tocallers articulate exactly what they are. Right now we are dealing with andcrises, the coronavirus the civil unrest. In my personal opinion, handling both very poorly. That is how you define a good president , how they deal with major crises. I did not vote the last time, but this election i would vote for someone who is president ial, like joe biden. I cannot believe i am saying that. As far as i know, he did not commit treason, which is what the book suggests, and i have no reason to doubt that. Host john in california. Republican. Good morning to you. What youve learned your reaction to what youve learned so far from john boltons book, the reporting on it. Good morning. Caller i have no intention of reading john boltons book. He never should have been hired in the first place. Obviously he was not working for the administration or the country. He has been working for himself. This is just an ongoing thing. It has been one attack after another attack. Every time someone comes up with something, it is always the final thing that will nail trump to the wall. I will tell you. Washington journal, you guys have been complicit with this whole thing. Why havent we heard things earlier about the spying on the president and all of the other things that have happened . It is one thing after another thing, and it is always this big dramatic thing that is going to destroy the president because he is such a bad person and he has off working his ass trying to make things happen for the country and the media has been going after him again and again. This is just one more thing. I am getting sick of it good host john, a republican in california. A democrat in richmond, virginia. Good morning . Caller i am so glad bolton is coming forward and proving a lot of things trump had been secret about. Even when he was running for man hopped ont president obama every minute of the day. President obama showed his birth trump has not showed us his irs report. He will not show nothing. The same way when he came to charlottesville, virginia. I live about 15 miles from charlottesville. He came there and he would not talk against the kkk. He had to say both sides. Why is it that he cannot a truthful . I believe he has covered up so and he decides to blow a smokescreen every time someone gets on his case. Every time someone gets on his case, he always brings up about obama. I am so glad. I cannot wait until november. John in go to jonesboro, georgia. A republican. Good morning to you. Caller good morning. My comment is john bolton, a lot of people may not remember when he did not get his weight when he was a u. S. Ambassador to the United States, he stormed out. John bolton is not smart enough to write a book. I would like to know who helped him write the book and what their political views are. They have done nothing but absolutely tried to destroy this president since he was elected. The bolton took the money, 2 million deal. He is a warmonger and has been a warmonger all his life. President trump has done more for this country in three and a half years than the Obama Administration did in eight. There should be an investigation, in my opinion, starting with james comey and with on down the line whatever his name was he has not been truthful. John bolton, the only reason he hete this book was because wanted the president to bomb iran more. That made him mad. He is like little schoolboy. I will get revenge. Let him try to get his revenge. I would not buy his book and i would not listen to a word he says because he is nothing but a damp liar, and i would tell a damned liar, and i would tell him so to his face. Host that is what President Trump said about the book the wall street journal in an interview. Saying is not true, saying he is a liar. Lets go to dolly in oklahoma, and independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. Ask i was to asking earlier, this book on bolton and you question about it being scrubbed, did they say one twins that was disgruntled from the ukraine deal, was he one of the ones that scrubbed it, they need to have a better scrubbing of it . Host where did you read that . Caller i just heard it. That has been at the very beginning. That is why they want him out of the white house. He was in the security part, the other twin was, and what i am asking is, you just showed a while ago on the wall street journal that they had been scrubbed and you question one of the callers, a republican, who said he did not vote for either person, which is the second point. Why are you asking how people vote . Even though i am independent, i can vote either way. How did you vote . Host it gives context for what people are saying. They did not have to answer, certainly. Caller i understand. That is a personal question. Why are we is defending him so much . To knowdependents want both sides of the story. Wisconsin. E, democratic caller. Hello . Caller good morning. Because bolton did not do what he was supposed to when the time came. The book does not mean anything because it will not do anything to impeach trump. It cannot do anything to help us , so why do we have to be ,ubjected to him writing a book earning money for something he shouldve told the public from the beginning . In the excerpt released in the wall street journal today from john boltons book, here is more from the notes john bolton apparently took while he was working as National Security advisor in the white house, and 2019, when thene , iest began in hong kong first heard President Trump react on june 12 upon hearing 1. 5 Million People had been at sundays demonstrations. That is a big deal, he said, but he immediately added i did not want to get involved and we have human rights problems here, too. Hoped trumpid he would see the prodemocracy demonstrators in tiananmen square, the president refused to issue a white house statement, saying that was 15 years ago, inaccurately, who cares about it, im trying to make a deal, i do not want anything. That was that. Host john in arlington, virginia. A republican. Caller thought part of the fault lies with the president for appointing john bolton the first place. There are a lot of us who said this is a bad deal. The president had noninterventionist type of in a lot ofthings cases. Bolton was a neocon. He shouldve realized that. He appointed him anyway. It was not the russians for the chinese who gave the president trouble. He did pretty good there. It was the North Koreans who did. That is because the president was sucked into the neocon stood dropping the iran deal at the North Koreans looked at that, there was no way they were ever going to make a deal after what we did to the iranians. The president has to get people that more fit his ideology and not people that sound good and make a big headline like john bolton. Host john in arlington, virginia. Republican. Jim in florida. Independent. Caller how are you. Host i am doing well. Good morning. Caller good morning. I want to make a comment about the book not even being published good the book is out and people the book is not even out and people have all these opinions, as if everything that has come out as true. Prior to the book john bolton was viewed very negatively. Now he is the gospel truth . I do not understand how people can make commentary about a book where nothing has been verified selectively leak to a news media outlet that constantly edits 911 calls, puts out false narratives , puts out soundbites that have been cut short. Host youre talking about the New York Times . Caller im talking about nbc. Host it was leaked to the New York Times, given to the wall street journal, nbc news as well. Caller ok. I saw a reference to the nbc news portion. If youre going to write editorial opinions, you should assume you should not assume everything john bolton says is fact. At least let the book come out for all of this commentary takes place. I am just disappointed that so much animosity towards the president over a book that has not been published yet is out there. Host lawrence in st. Louis, missouri. Democratic caller. Good morning. Caller hello. Trumpment is that donald is a con man. Dictionaryook in the to look up big words. And itd up con man, means the person who builds confidence in people and they use the confidence to get over on people. People hemp, he told knew all the best people. He was rich and knew the best people. Look at all the different people that has been in his circle that have had problems, that have fallen out with him. If you knew all of the best people, why would he hired bolton . Whether the stuff in boltons book is true, we do not know that. But we know from the behavior donald trump has had in the past that he is a liar and he is capable of doing stuff like that good he told people he knew the best people. If one of the republicans would call and tell why they just blindly go by and say bolton is wrong nobody knows whether he is wrong or not. A lot of republicans are saying he is wrong because theyve been conned by donald trump. They have confidence in him. Host lawrences opinion. We will go next to mississippi. An independent. What you think . Caller why are we talking about s man bolton when this man Democrats Use him as upon. Think about this. Journal is something special. You try to play like your right down the middle. You are not. I will give you an example. Sent cuomo or his brother a covid patient the Old Folks Home and you have not done a special on that. Put chris cuomo on and find out why he was doing that. Then they come up with these black lives matter. Im a black man. Black lives matter all lives matter. We want to separate the American People. I know you will come me off. Host i am letting you finish. Caller i see reaching down. Why dont all lives matter . Why are we trying to separate each other by saying that . That is a divisive murder that is a divisive word saying black lives matter. Im a black man saying that. Host i heard your point. Well take a break. Back we will turn to the coronavirus pandemic. Charmain yoest. They put out their final report on ways to bring back the economy amid the pandemic. Then been jealous, of people for the american way, discuss ways to reform policing in the United States. First ladies, influence and image on American History tv examines the private lives and public role of the nations first ladies through interviews with top historians. Sarah polk,ook at margaret taylor, abigail fillmore, jane pierce, and harriet lane. Watch first ladies, influence and image, tonight on American History tv on cspan3. This november we are going to take back the house, we are going to hold the senate, and we are going to keep the white house. Announcer President Trump returns to the campaign real saturday for a rally in tulsa. Watch our live coverage at 8 30 p. M. , or listen on the go with our free cspan radio app. Washington journal continues. Host Charmaine Yoest is the coexecutive director of the National Heritage Foundation Coronavirus Recovery Commission and Vice President of the groups Family Commission and opportunity. Talk about the commission and why you put it together. Who sits on it . Then we can talk about your recommendations. Guest thank you for having me. This is an unprecedented, historic crisis we are facing a couple of months ago. Looked at the debate as it was developing and became concerned there was a dichotomy between people arguing from a Health Perspective and from an economic perspective. At this point its hard to remember how separated people were in terms of Everyone Needs to stay home or go back to work. Important to look over the horizon and say what will it take to talk about this holistically, both lives and livelihood . She put the commission together and it was a fantastic experience and a great group of people of 17 experts from all across the country in all different areas and walks of life. The nationalto be Coronavirus Recovery Commission that represented all different aspects of society. We had people from the Health Care Sector, we had people who represented Small Business and looking at the economic issue, but we looked at people who had expertise in education, civil society, disaster management. All these different components that made up the things people were concerned about. Host all conservative . Guest no. It was a bipartisan panel. Host your fivephase plan includes return to a more normal level of Business Activity, continue with cdc guidelines to slow the rate of new cases, increase availability of new diagnostic tests, reestablish International Travel and trade, and reduce future risks of pandemics. Can you drill down the first one, return to a more normal level of Business Activity . Can you do that when dr. Anthony fauci says we are still in the first wave of this pandemic . Guest whatever wave we are currently in, and i think dr. Faucis point is important as we see people going out into very large gatherings, that the pandemic is still with us. We are still in the midst of it. What is different now than a couple of months ago is as this started we didnt know anything about it. We were having to build from the bottom up from ground zero. Foot we are very fortunate to have now is a lot more information. Americans always rise to the occasion with ingenuity, resourcefulness, and pulling together. The science has progressed pneumatically, and so has the data progressed dramatically, and so has the data. This virus did not affect everyone in every place evenly. Everyone knows new york city really had a tough time of this and is still not completely out of the woods. One of the things i dont feel like we have talked about quite enough is who was hit hardest. Everyone knows elderly people with comorbidities were more at risk, but i dont know if anyone fully understands how much more hardly hit and everyone else people in Nursing Homes and tightly living together kinds of situations where, particularly Nursing Homes. As we move forward at this point, knowing these different data points, we can be more strategic and focused in how we approach the virus. Continue also write, with cdc guidelines to slow the rate of new cases. I wonder what your opinion is of President Trump holding this seatsin an arena that 19,000 people in tulsa, oklahoma on saturday when the cdc says we should avoid large gatherings . Guest acrosstheboard, regardless of what event is being planned or what the person is trying to decide about their work,on or going back to we have very specific guidelines from the cdc about how people can protect themselves. You can wear a mask. You should be following the basic Public Health recommendations we have become very familiar with in terms of washing your hands, and respecting social distancing. I went out yesterday to a store, for example, where we have markings on the floor of how to stand six feet apart. Texting people behind cash registers with barriers. We have come a long way in terms of being able to go outside and be together in gatherings with other people, and yet protect ourselves and other people, which is what wearing the mask is all about. Host why did the people who sit on the commission and you believe that one of the keys is increasing the availability of diagnostic tests . What did you find . Guest you have to be able to know who has it and where it is. From the very start that has been a challenge, being able to see exactly where the virus is. We have made a lot of progress. That is something people can feel more confident about as we move forward. Host what states have met these recommendations you have put out and are able to move forward with reopening without risking more cases . Guest im so glad you asked that question for two reasons. Ne, because if anything has really been driven home throughout this crisis is the wisdom of having a federalist approach in our country, and being able to make decisions at smaller levels than just the federal government. It was a wise approach to say the governors needed to be the ones making decisions about their own state. And frankly, not just the governors, but people, localities, and communities need to track the data in their own communities. We like to say that whats going on with Nursing Homes in new york city should not necessarily affect playgrounds in montana. These are two different scenarios. Atanswer your question, Heritage Foundation we are tracking that question. If you go to heritage. Org we have a couple of maps people can click on to see their specific zip codes and what is going on in their community. Host robber in st. Louis, missouri, democratic caller. Your question or comment about the coronavirus pandemic and how state and federal governments have responded. Caller im calling about concern of how the coronavirus is going and i want to talk about the book. Can i make a comment about the book . Lets stick to the coronavirus pandemic. Caller i think it will be a while before we come back. We are suffering from it right now. Agree . O you its going to be a while before we come back . Guest robert, thank you for that question. I think we need to be realistic about the fact its not over yet. We need to be prudential, smart, and targeted. Just because we are still facing this crisis doesnt mean we dont have tools to help work. Ves get back to one of the things we found out through this process is you cant separate lives and livelihood. Having over 30 Million People out of work has been devastating. Not just for the economy, but peoples health. At one point over one Million People in the Health Care Sector filed for unemployment because we shut down all health care other than focusing on coronavirus. It turned out the Health Care System was not overwhelmed by this, and we found other markers of health, of Bad Health Outcomes were going up. Had publice have Health Messages going to people to know what the signs and symptoms are of a heart attack and stroke. As soon as you feel these symptoms go to the hospital. Yet, people became so fearful of going to the hospital that there are very bad outcomes for people who no longer feel comfortable following those guidelines. That was part of the message of the commission to tell people we opened up our Health Care Provision across all the different measures of Health Care Challenges and need to get people back to work. Host tulsa, oklahoma, republican. Caller the democrats have politicized the coronavirus. Its pretty obvious. Joe biden campaigned yesterday on his speech about the horrible unemployment trump has caused. Positionsndadriven that do affect how america comes back, the usa comes back, from the coronavirus. Throughs, january 6 12th, over a Million People gathered together at the convention. There were 400,000 chinese at that convention. There was coronavirus there. I got it. Everyone got the flu. No one was put down. Got a proven situation that this is not as bad as it says. They had a normal event at the convention, and people need to talk about that. The democrats want this panic to continue and keep the economy shut down. Guest you make an important point. Lets draw it into a fine focus. One of the challenges we had in confronting this virus was the fact we didnt know how it affected different people differently. , in thenow it does not vast majority of cases, present, as a challenge for young people. That is why we feel confident in telling people you can open schools back up. On the other hand, when people are over 65 and have simultaneous Health Challenges at the same time, it is very challenging for them. That is important for people to be able to make an assessment of their own risk as we move forward. There arepeople the asymptomatic people who have no symptoms, or have it and have a mild case. There are some people in the older age ranges who really struggle. Another thing that is positive moving forward in terms of how we progressed in our knowledge morectors are learning about how to treat this in the people who have a very bad case. That is also helping. Host tennessee, democratic caller. Caller good morning. Host good morning. Caller how are you all doing . Host just fine. Go ahead with your question or comment. Caller i was going to say everyone is overlooking trump did not tell us about this virus at first. He said it was a hoax. Its his fault for lying to us. They could have been wearing gloves and everything. When you go out you get to talking to people, coughing, and that stuff is in the air. Another thing about the economy recovery, all they are thinking about is money. Job,you say go back to a you sign this paper saying you cant sue this company if you is sick from the virus, how that making america look around the world . Our government needs to stop lying to us and tell the truth. People are dying every day. They have certain states telling people not to tell how many people are dying. Wake up, america. Quit being this mans fools. We need to get him out. Guest maam, one of the Biggest Challenges as we look at the timeline of how america mobilized to confront the virus is in early january, as it was starting to be a global threat, out to theched chinese and asked if we could send scientists to wuhan to interact with the chinese scientists and have a better sense of what was going on, and they rejected our efforts. I think that is part of the obvious reason, the biggest challenge, that we faced. This was a novel virus. We have had coronaviruss before, but not one that acted exactly as this one did. We will try to do an after action of who could have responded differently. That is always important in a pandemic. The last part of the Coronavirus Commission report, which you can find at coronaviruscommission. Com, the last part looks at how we can do better moving forward. One of the recommendations is to have a time when we look at the government responds and how we can better coordinate across different agencies in the government. Host how would your commission tell the government to respond to this headlining usa today. . Alf of the country reports leap in cages. Florida, 65 . Arizona, 55 . Texas, 41 . As well as oklahoma, where the resident will have the rally. How do you think the government and State Government should respond . Guest i think its important we are looking at it in a community by community perspective, not just state level, but the local community level. Lives and focus on livelihoods. It super important to get people back to work in the places where its possible to do that. Given the fact that we know some facts about how this is spread and how people can protect themselves as i mentioned earlier, the fact that businesses are moving forward by putting barriers up for cashiers, people respecting social distancing, wearing masks. There have been a lot of conversations about masks and this information out there, but the commission looked into different elements and arguments related to the mask and came out firmly on the side of encouraging people to follow the guidance and where the masks. That does make a difference on the larger level and helping slow the spread. Host cliff in hawaii. Independent. Caller good morning. Host turned down the television, just listen and talk through your phone. Caller better . Host go ahead. Guest hi, cliff. Hi, hello ha. That kills thee coronavirus. Politicized. Are so what would you recommend to get the politics out of the messages you convey, and have it nationalized. As we all know john bolton was in charge of the Health Agencies prior and tried to streamline it. Healthng the organization has hurt us quite a bit. What can you recommend an increasing financing to health organizations, and have a nationalized, leave a bull, nonpoliticized message to all of us. Sunshine, we have which is awesome let our guest respond to your question. There is a lot in hawaii that is awesome. People should feel confident. There was an early story about the elimination of one division reacting to pandemics. The truth is that there was a reorganization. Are we are seeing is there a lot of resources being brought to bear, and a lot of different elements of the federal government that are coordinating to respond. One of the recommendations from the commission is to look at how the different elements of the federal government are coordinated moving forward to make sure we have clear lines of and a clear plan of how to coordinate moving forward. I will say i agree with you about the tenor of the conversation. That this shouldnt be something thats politicized. Thats one reason i encourage people to stay focused on the data. It is why we put the map on our website so people can look at what is happening in their own community. Try to separate out a lot of the political rhetoric and focus on the lives and livelihood in their own community. Host stephen in los angeles, democratic color. Caller i am concerned about the federal response. It has been utterly lacking. In los angeles we have 2800 deaths. Right in our town. I dont see the federal response mobilizing in a way that would let our kids go back to school fall. I cant believe i heard on this station you would strongly recommend sending our kids back in the fall. It is baffling to me we are not mobilizing in a way that is reactive to a virus. I have cancer myself, and it will never go away. Its chronic. This virus petrified as me. I cant leave my house anymore, because the medicine i take is so strong that if i were to catch the virus, i would be dead. To just brush off saying that people who are young are likely , to sayet this virus people who are young will not get this virus, it wont affect them as much, there are millions of people just like me all over the country suffering from a chronic illness and want a way out of their houses and society. I think it is reprehensible there is no federal response to this virus in a way that is meaningful. People are dying on an accelerated basis. We came out of phase one, and some of our states, like oregon, where my sister lives who is a nurse, says they are starting to close backu up. Guest thank you for your question. Im glad to have the opportunity to express my concern. Im sorry to hear about your personal situation. Thats one of the reasons i started this segment talking about how important it is to focus on the people who are specifically at risk. Is aelf is i myself cancer survivor, my husband is as well. Focusing on the people in a higher risk category, obviously you are in as well. As weing our conversation move forward, this is something that is with us. First off, you have to be concerned about whats going on in your community. You are Community Leaders need to make the decision as opposed to the federal government, who is a long way away from your situation geographically, but also the specific needs of your situation. Your community has to mobilize for that. As we look at this, one thing we are finding from looking at the data is if you have defused focus that says we are going to respond with a lockdown across the country, or whatever the specific recommendation is, there becomes a defused focus across a large area and large population, when in fact we know it is the high risk groups that need particular attention, particular Public Health approaches to protect their environment. I dont know what your Health Care Provider situation is like, but going back to the nursing home example, we have to be careful of those people. We have to make sure their environment is protected. That their healthcare care workers get priority on testing. We have to do everything we can to avoid a dilution of focus on people at high risk. Gilroy, california, jason, a republican. Caller hello, how are you . Guest good, thank you. Caller i just want to say i think everyone should just get along. You werery, i thought finished. We will move along. Caller good morning. Guest good morning. Caller i have some questions i mean some comments. Number one, i have been listening to the other people and many good arguments have been made for the situation. But when it comes to the coronavirus itself, and the result of all of the deaths, it is amazing and discouraging. This is what i have to say. All of the attention seems to be given in the media on all the deaths happening. At the same time in the media, the media is very much discussing all the deaths of the black policeman, and everything like this, which is true. This is all very bad. It is injustice and needs to be corrected. But this is what i have to say. Then, if death has become so important in america that it gets all this attention because death is so bad, why are we not shutting down all the killing of all of the babies and everything like this . We kill enough people in abortions in a day and no one says anything about it. When it comes to black lives matter, i think the black babies who are aborted are just as important as the white ones who are aborted. Host we will go on to bernie. Independent. Aboutuestion or comment the response to the coronavirus pandemic. If youri wonder organization has consider the recommendation of the president thenject disinfectant into public in order to prevent the virus taking effect . Guest im not sure exactly which treatment he was referring to, but what i can tell you as i mentioned earlier is one of the things we are optimistic about is the fact that the science is advancing rapidly in terms of experimenting with different modalities and treatments work to help people. We assembled a panel of physicians to talk with, as a parallel to working on the commissions. We wanted to make sure we were getting the highest quality medical input as we looked at the progression of the pandemic. There was an announcement this week they discovered a new treatment for the inflammation that goes along with coronavirus. There at howfocus at looking this virus presents differently than other viruses and kinds of things that affect your lungs. We feel optimistic about the progress being made on that front. Host george, baltimore, maryland. Ir i just wanted to have been reading some of the latest studies being done by nih and madrix. Org. They did a study for healthcare workers to determine i had questions that i call the cdc about the rna they are testing for. I am concerned the testing, based on conversations with nurses from Johns Hopkins and the studying i have been doing, is that the rna they are testing for is not that specific. In the study it came out more than half of the people sick, severely sick, with covid19 did thehave the type of rna viral rna test is testing for. I would recommend confirming that the numbers are based on accurate testing. A lot of people are saying they are using the test at the hospitals anymore, because it is not accurate. Guest to take that from the specific studies to the most global question of the science related to the virus, that is one of the Biggest Challenges weve had. Been having it be a novel virus, and looking at different ways it presented in different people in different communities. One of the recommendations is to really focus in on the science. The exciting thing about america are the arsenal of democracy in world war ii, and we are doing the same thing in this virus. Ramping up across the private sector and having different experiments in different sectors. As you point out, you cant put all of your eggs in one basket with one approach. Having the American Private in thebuild up scientific area and continue to forward willmove be essential to coming out to a place where we know more about this virus. I feel confident we will eventually get there. Host Charmaine Yoest is the theecutive director of Heritage Foundation National Coalition Recovery Commission. When we come back we will turn our attention to Police Reform. The house panel approved their bill after 12 hours of debate. The Senate Republicans unveiled their approach. Then jealous will be our guest ben jealous will be our guest. We will be right back. Announcer sunday on the tv at 4 45 p. M. 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Zed across the in this moment, we have folks who are deeply involved in new in their cities and counties on Public Safety, response to covid, and fighting to make sure our supreme court, frankly, goes back to the values we hold dear, and not marching towards the institution that could end health care as we know aca. Nce obama passed the we are funded primarily by people, with some support from foundations. Movers and doers across the country who want to make sure this country remains a place where all of us, where frankly the great dream of this country, that you could rise as high as your own ambition, intelligence, and skills, remains true. Dream, the american quite frankly, this country would be a very hard place for our families. Host on Police Reform, what you want to see congress do . We are talking a day after the house spent 12 hours marking up a proposal by democrats in congress. At the same time, Senate Republicans unveiling their legislation. Bill can beop summarized in 10 words. The gop is more afraid of public unions than police. We have to get to a place where every person in this country concerned that their son is going to come home when they go out to the grocery store. Toblack men we dont have feel terror when we are pulled over by a cop driving in our neighborhood. Can count on us our tax dollars supporting Public Safety that truly benefits the public, that benefits each of us. Pushingmy adult life for criminal justice reforms across this country. I evenave made progress, worked with Newt Gingrich in georgia and stacey abrams, to push through sweeping citizen reforms. We have a consensus on many of the issues of Public Safety remains highly politicized. Here we are the day before the 134th anniversary and it remains rooted in the legacy of slavery. Finally it feels like the whole country after 30 years, give or take, of watching video after video of black men and women be killed by the very people who had sworn to protect and respect them, are force to reckon with wet black people have known for hundreds of years. Police dont work for all of our communities. Weve got to get to a place where all of us transform Public Safety in a way that all of us know we are being well protected. Host i will have you respond to senator scott who led the republican efforts on the senate side to put forth a proposal. Heres what he had to say about the debate over Police Reform. [video clip] too often we are having a discussion in this nation of are you supporting the Law Enforcement community or communities of color . This is a false, binary choice. The answer to the question of which side you support is i support america. If you support america, you support restoring the confidence that communities of color have in institutions of authority. If you support america it means the overwhelming number of officers in this nation want to do their jobs and go home to their family. It is not a binary choice. This legislation encompasses spirit. It speaks to the fact that we believe the overwhelming number of officers in this nation are tryingople working hard, to keep order in the communities. Jealous, your response. Guest there is nothing to disagree with there. That is a general sentiment shared by virtually everybody in this country. My family is a Law Enforcement family. Cousinsfather, my picked up their badge and went to work in federal Law Enforcement. Peopleue is not the versus the police. The police are the people. The issue is we have bad officers who have been protected by officers for too long. They have a code of silence that has to be broken and trust that restored. We cant live in a country where an officer can kill a person because of the color of their skin and get away with it. What we saw in colorado last , banning qualified immunity was a good sign. We are getting to a place where if an officer commits a hate crime, or literally treats someone different because of the color of their skin and takes their life, they can be held accountable. Weve got to keep moving in that direction. From soldiersance in the revolutionary war through the massachusetts regimen inspired by the boston massacre, where the first person killed was a young black man. Himself painted him out of that moment. Activists, thets abolitionists, had to paint him back in. Its a reminder that from the aninning there has been opposition to police brutality, but denying the sacrifice people have paid. That is sharp, biting, persistent, and leaves all of us feeling less secure. I have no doubt senator scott is deeply respected in the state and has to grapple with the fear that all black men and black women have to grapple with in on country, and i hope folks that side of the aisle listen to him and think deeply about what it must be like to be the one black senator in your state. I suspect often like all of us in a situation where you feel like youre not being judged by the content of your character or accomplishments, but find yourself stuck in an old pattern that goes back to deeply in our country. Black People Living in terror of the very officers who have sworn to protect them, not because most are bad, because a few are and not held accountable by and now we ask the people of the country have to rise up and say we will hold them accountable. We will make sure they are held to account. Host brian is up first in michigan, independent caller. Caller thanks. I grew up in detroit and worked in most Major Industrial cities and in welltraveled throughout the world in United States. Whenever i get confused i always go to math. When we start using words such as systemic and institutional, that we dont support those words with math. Then we go to the visual and pump that out every single night i would like to see some math that supports your theory we have such widespread racism. I have not found that in my life, sir. I grew up in detroit when guys like me, i am a white guy who grow up in a white neighborhood. I spent a lot of time in the city and i am a city boy in that regard. We didnt have any of that even in the 1960s. Were martineroes luther king or sports heroes of that era because i was impressed and how hard they worked and what they believed in. Im not buying that it systemic. Im not buying that its institutional. But we do have some jerks in this world, i do admit that, sir. I do admit that. But its not as widespread as the visual being pumped into our brains. Our brains work 90 over the visual coming in. Host i will leave it there so Charmaine Yoest can rate so ben jealous can respond to you. Agree that the videotape we have seen in the rodney king case has forced all of us to reckon with what is happening in our country. The issue with the Detroit Police department in the 1960s and 1970s are legendary. I would encourage you to read that history. They were tremendously abusive of black detroiters for a long time. The police chief is doing the hard job of trying to reform that department. I would encourage you to look at the history of that department. I did my graduate work in criminology. 10 ,es recently suggest 10 to 15 of a Given Department is likely to be abusive and problematic. You have 10 to 15 of a Given Department likely to be courageous and confront that pattern of abuse by one out of 10 or one out of eight of their peers. In the middle, the vast majority of the department wants to go along to get along and not rock the boat. That is the code of silence we talk about. We do have a problem institutionally in departments across the country. Friends whog to two are mayors. One of a large city and one of a small city. The one in the small city said for six years his department use outonality tests to weed officers likely to be abusive. Who 75 of the applicants met every other measure of fitness in the last six years failed the test. Just a reminder we have a deep problem, and we need to make sure all of our departments have a High Standard to how officers are trained, behave, and that they weed out the officers who are most likely to be abusive. One thing i would say is we look at officers most likely to kill done by professor philip g , what you find is even more important to whether or not a officer is racist and would kill a black how authoritarian they are. That is why President Trumps call to the most authoritarian in departments is so dangerous. We have to deal with history of racism and this cross current of authoritarianism. One out of 10 if you dont obey them, that could be the end of your life. That is what we saw recently in atlanta at the wendys. A man was running away from an officer with a nonlethal weapon and was killed. There is no way the officer felt his life was threatened. Host the front page of usa today, x atlanta officer charged with murder in that case. Facesvicted the officer the possibility of the Death Penalty or life in prison. We do you want to comment on that . They need to abolish the Death Penalty, thats a reminder. That said the officer needs to be charged and convicted with murder. Host thomas in deerwood, maryland. Caller good morning greta and ben. I would like to have a comment and quick question. The protests and everything going on, i have noticed when they had it on tv, almost all of the National Guards were white americans, almost all of the state troopers were white americans. That seems to be systemic. I noticed you had all the reporters i wont say white but the majority were white. This seems to be systemic, too. Also, when you talk about the congressman from South Carolina, or wherever, guest senator scott. Caller senator scott, im sorry. He has to walk a fine line. We know republicans are not going to stand up for anyone who makes a misstep. We have seen what the administration does, how it gets rid of people, and how trump will go against you when you run for reelection. That is systemic and systematic, too. My question for you is this. When i recognize all of this, and i would like for you to comment on, why am i seeing so many of the National Guard, state police, and police by americans . Are black americans not applying for these jobs . Our black americans not qualified for these jobs . Whats going on here . Away withhave to do the way officers are recruited. What you will find is there are things that have nothing to do with being an officer. Lots of departments will use credit scores. Not highcore is enough, they wont hire you as an officer. With the credit score correlates most closely with is your net worth at birth. If you were born into a family where the family has a positive net worth, the credit score is likely to be higher because if you have an emergency, you have the resources to handle that emergency. A white person has 4000, and a black person has zero. That is related to the legacy of slavery. Selecting officers is frankly part of the systemic racist pattern network we are talking about. Dois has nothing to with how well that person is going to serve their community. Similarly, the use of pot. It is constant across all racial groups, yet historically young black people have been prosecuted at a much higher rate, then young white people smoking a joint. That will disqualify you from becoming an officer. It is pattern of enforcement who determines who is prosecuted, not pattern of use, which is constant. Those are the types of barriers keeping young people out of departments. One thing we are doing in baltimore better than most other because we have been dealing with a huge pattern of corruption and taking them on headon. One of the smart things one of the chiefs did in the last five years is we will no longer consider past use of cannabis whether or not you can be an offier an officer. More young black folks were able to apply, because that history of discriminatory Law Enforcement was no longer keeping people out of Law Enforcement. Host lincoln, nebraska. Host y question host moving on to tom in port richie, florida. Republican. Comment, like the guy before me. If you look at all of the major cities they are almost controlled by all blacks. Les andve their ma councilman all controlled by blacks. Host talking about who are in positions of power, the mayor, the council members, etc. Guest it is absolutely true that the representation in most inner cities is more likely to be people of color, more likely inbe black and brown, than most counties. Yet, the culture of policing has not changed enough. There is all kinds of reasons for that, including going back to some of the patterns we talked about. One of the biggest one is too ors, politicians of all col in both parties have been unwilling to take on the hugely problematic, dangerous, and deadly culture of Public Safety in our country. With the young people in our country are demanding, and people of all colors and both parties are demanding in this moment, is we finally transform Public Safety to take our cities, counties, and states to a place where we can all feel safe. We are all paying taxes, sales tax, income tax, we are all paying taxes. We all deserve to have Police Officers, Public Safety officers who defend all of our lives, who respect all of us, who work for all of us. I studied criminology in england. In england they have principles going back to their own struggles with the oppression of the northern irish. They decidedh even though most officers dont carry guns, they will train them every six months and how to use force and deescalate situations. That means in a 30 year career and officer in england would be usened 60 times on when to force and went to deescalate. Their understanding would evolve over time, including with new technologies. In the United States we have give or take 16,000 different Law Enforcements, and they are able to determine their own standards for training. The most common standard is one day at the academy. 9 00 to 5 00, one day. A big part of what we are dealing with is we have to break get to a place where we have the highest standards, most professional Public Safety offers in the country. The way there is to stop for a second and say what if george floyd was your son, if Breonna Taylor was your daughter . What would you want to see happen. Day, everyof the young person killed by the police in this country regardless of their color is an american child. Mothees son, father, daughter. We need to think about this as americans committed to making sure every american, every person in this country feels safe when they interact with someone carrying a badge. Host do you think the house legislation marked up and approved by the judiciary committee, the democratic proposal, deals with the culture . A huge step in the right direction. A lot of the reforms will be followed up with reforms at the local level. On the laople focused in thistro areas country where half of black folks live. If you fix the problem in these 20 metros it will go a long way. Federal reforms will have to wait for different president. A are focusing on we get different president sooner rather than later. Host we thank you for the conversation this morning. Come back again. We will continue with your thoughts on Police Reform. . Hat would you support the House Judiciary Committee approved the democratic proposal, and republicans unveiled what they would do. What would you support . The phone lines are on your screen. We will come back to that after part of the judiciary debate, where Eric Swalwell issues a challenge to republicans. [video clip] black lives matter peirod. I would yield to any of my colleagues on the republican side who can unequivocably say, as we calibrate where we are right now, that black lives matter. Does the gentleman believe all lives matter as well. I think black lives matter. I think all lives matter. Can anyone on the republican side say black lives matter. Unequivocably all lives matter. Reclaiming my time. I think its clear my colleagues on the others would like to put up a strawman to not have the uncomfortable conversation we need to have about race. Typically in Police Shootings most of the focus is on the conduct of the officer and we never get to the heart of hearts about the systemic issues we have in our country. No one is disputing what the officer did with mr. Floyd should be defended. We have to have the harder conversation about systemic issues and policing. Instead, we get this strawman of you are trying to defund the police. Nowhere in this legislation is anyone seeking to defund the police. Until you are willing to get rid of the strawman, the confusion, the tactics you are using to avoid having a hard conversation about race in america, we arent going to get to where we need to have equality, not just in black lives matter. Like lives do matter. Unequivocally. Lack lives do b do matter. Every life is precious. Yesterdays House Judiciary Committee, we covered all 12 hours of that debate. We marked in gold stars some of the key moments. You can watch the highlights of that Committee Hearing yesterday. Police. Ing the house democrats, Senate Republicans, and the white house lay down markers on what they want to see in overhauls to policing practices in the United States. Banned chokehold. The senate bill conditions certain federal Law Enforcement grants on states and localities putting in policies severely restricting the use of chokeholds in situations except for deadly force is authorized. President trump conditioned certain funding on use of force policies that prohibit the use of chokeholds except for situations where the use of deadly force is allowed by law. One of the big sticking points we have learned is qualified immunity. The house bill illuminate qualified immunity for Law Enforcement to allow individuals to seek damages in civil court when they believe their Constitutional Rights have been violated. The senate bill this not alter qualified immunity, and neither does the president s executive order. The White House Press secretary was asked about whether or not the president would sign a bill that included qualified immunity. Qualified immunity is a complete and total nonstarter. Qualified immunity would really enable the police in this country to do their job. That is in the democrat bill. Democrats say defund the police, and you hear that from congresswoman a khizr khan 10 and congresswoman omar and others. Coggeshall and a khizr khan from congressoman Ocasio Cortez and congresswoman omar, and others. Our streets would not be saved. President tom has worked with Law Enforcement to ensure the bad cops that exist are pushed out of the system. The overwhelming majority of cops are good. We have got to address the handful that are bad. Which i think the president s order has done. Taking away qualified immunity would make the streets of this country a lot less secure. Look what happened when we did not have adequate Law Enforcement. A church burned in multiple Law Enforcement officers injured. Host what Police Reforms would you support . Annual in california, you are up first. Go ahead. While my main emphasis was Law Enforcement, i am more aware of the experiences people have a thought enforcement. Lawink the key in enforcement reform is to focus on the Job Description that normally comes with Law Enforcement. There is too much of a them versus us culture. Whenever you have anything that theystemically focusing on creation of a subculture of a them versus us mentality that you see in Law Enforcement, you are going to have a marginalization of different groups. I think that is what blacks are feeling. Desperation is the in the message of black lives matter. If you want to address that problem, i think you have to address the Job Description that comes with being a Law Enforcement officer. If you knew going into it that you were going to be involved in Community Outreach programs, you were going to be involved in Community Improvement programs. Your job was not simply going to be carrying a gun and walking around. It would be part of the job to protect the public. He would also be enforcing the part of the job where you serve the public. Your daniel, thank you for point. No one in texas, what do you think . Caller i think one of the biggest problems we have an policing is the news media. We can only make decisions based on the information even as. Aboutrica, we talk america has changed. Must not that america change. Whites in america must change. The whites in america are the problem. I am caucasian myself. Im 82 years old. Ive seen a lot. It is not that blacks have got to change. Whites have got to change. About america is got to change. Whites have got to change. Thank you, cspan. Host sarah is in humboldt, texas. We want to hear from her next. ,aller i just want to say speaking to that gentleman you just had on he contradicted himself. He said that there is systemic racism in policing and everything, but if you look at all the big cities, strictly , their mayor, the police chief, their city. Ouncil, everyone is black the population is 45 black. And yet they are still experiencing systemic racism. Host he spoke about that as well. If you missed it in the interview, go to cspan. Org and you can listen. He addressed that as well. Some other proposals put forth by lawmakers include a database record sharing system. Ause democrats would create registry of federal, state Law Enforcement officers including discipline and termination records and records of certification. The senate bill from republicans allows Law Enforcement agencies to maintain employment and disciplinary records for at least 30 years. States get a onetime grant of at least 1 million. They will be ineligible for some federal funding if they do not. The president directs the attorney general to create a database tracking terminations, come convictions of officers. Todayadline in the paper says that doj currently receives 40 of information from states about use of force by police. Bob in largo, florida. Good morning. Caller if you want to eliminate discrimination in the Law Enforcement ranks, eliminate affirmative action, where the best Law Enforcement officers get promoted, not just based on race. They have gone over the top with getting people where we have so many this color, so many that color, so many women. How about just the best qualified . Host all right, bob. Kenny in byron, georgia. Caller why do the police only feel safe if they can violate somebodys civil rights . Their job is protecting civil rights. And if you say it is going to lead to more people filing these accusations, they are still good to go before a judge, right . So i think they should take it away. That is my thought. Host qualified immunity . Caller absolutely. Take it away. If you are doing something wrong , you go before a judge and have your case decided. Host kenny is for altering qualified immunity for police in this country. What would you support . Pamela from morrow borough, maryland. Look up the conversation. Go ahead. Caller what i support with Police Reform is doing away with qualified immunity. It protects police with the practice of misconduct, brutality, and abuse. We can ask our sons and daughters to go to the military and serve and give their lives, and they can be dishonorably discharged for murder, manslaughter, sexual assault, desertion. We certainly can do away with qualified immunity to protect a bad cop. Offalso against turning cameras during the encounter. The Police Officers have do not have cameras on, they need to be fired and investigated. I am against militarizing the police. There should be citizen councils. They are shooting victims in the back. Banning chokeholds. Qualified immunity. Keeping the cops on the force when they have 18 and 20 records of abuse such was the case with jarvis when he had these 18 counts, and then he killed somebody prior to george floyd. These things can be done. As a black mother of two black sons, i want my kids to live to have another day when they have an encounter with the police because they have a missing taillight or are selling loose cigarettes. There are a lot of things that can be done and we can do them today. Host the hill reporting housesenate house, senate jockey for leverage. House democrats are considering blocking the republican bill on the floor. Republicans would need at least seven democrats to back advancing the measure if there is to be a formal floor debate. Democrats say they do not trust the Republican Leaders will allow them to amend the legislation on the floor. Politico reporting the House Judiciary Panel approved legislation yesterday and the house will vote on the bill by june 25. Enough democrats already signed on as cosponsors to guarantee its passage in the house. We will go to cindy, hampton, new hampshire. Good morning. Greta, thank you for taking my call. Abouted to make a comment i have always worked with the developmentally disabled, and we have specific training about restraints, and we are very held accountable. We get our training every year. I do not understand why the police force cant follow the same thing. I was a state employee. When we went out to the group homes, we all had so much training about how to deescalate. I would like for the Police Forces to implement the same strategies and procedures that we have to do, and we dont make a lot of money. I mean, we work in group homes and make barely above minimum wage. I just wanted to put that out there into the atmosphere. Host cindy in new hampshire, thanks for the call. The president tweeting this morning about john boltons is madeiting, the book of lies and stories to make me look bad. Many of the ridiculous statements he attributes to me were never made. Just trying to get even for firing him like the sick puppy he is. Lso this morning, the hill newspaper, more than 1. 5 million file new jobless claims in the second week of june. From abc, the last surviving sibling of president john f. Kennedy is dead at 92. Bernie in dallas, oregon. Good morning. What do you think about Police Reform . To me, when they talk about it as a libertarian here, it seems like there is a whole collapse of our authoritarian system. It goes to a family where kids do not listen to their parents. When i grew up, my aunts, uncles, anybody could tell us what to do if we were doing something wrong. Now the parents sometimes you are not allowed to tell the kids what to do. They can stand up and do whatever they want. We are teaching kids that they do not have to have any respect for authority. So we have a cultural problem with that, i think, that i see more than just the police. Of course, we have to correct the bad actions that police do, but i think it goes beyond that and goes into our culture. It has changed a lot since i have grown up, to where people do not respect any kind of authority, be it teachers, parents, or anybody. That is what i have to say. Host also from the washington , both proposals would make lynching a federal crime. Thus democratic proposal has grants to help localities create commissions and taskforces that would reimagine protection of Public Safety. Grants would be for projects that we envision what policing might be about in a particular neighborhood, according to karen bass, who sponsored the house bill. It envision civilian review boards with the power to conduct hearings. The senate bill sets up a National Committee that would study responder programs where social workers or Mental Health professionals might work alongside Law Enforcement uncertain responses. The president has an executor order to increase the number of social workers working directly with Law Enforcement agencies to provide guidance on coresponder programs. Tests in charlotte, north carolina, what would you support . Myler on Police Reform, thinking is just get rid of police unions. I think that they have so much involvement in this whole thing. I just think they need to be put byde, and people be hired the Police Chiefs themselves, not all this bureaucracy that seems to cover up bad behavior. But another thing is the media. Themedia never focuses on ,ood actions of good policeman like pulling people from burning cars, like saving people and trying to pull them out of a raging river. They run to the danger and the harm, just like firefighters. They do the same thing. And we never, ever show anything good that they do. Everything is always the most negative it can be. I dont know what the purpose is, but its a bad purpose that is being done here. We need a day of showing good things they do. Thank you, greta. Host thank you, tests. From alabama, you are next. Morning. Ood im going to try to make this snappy. I have a few things i want to cover. First of all, i think they should do background checks before even hiring them, and if i understood correctly, this man was at wendys passed out in the car, drunk, but yet they were talking about his kids birthday. Now, my thought is if it is his childrens birthday that was so important, why is he in the car . Matter,f all, all lives born and unborn. Flyers that i see they are young people. Where are the parents of the young people, and why arent they walking instead of being working instead of being on the street, causing trouble . , all the statues they want to tear down, ok, im white, but i have black friends, ok . Christian black friends. Ok, what if we jumped up and said thats take all the ml king street signs down . How would they feel . This is history we are messing with. Host im going to brenda in buffalo, new york. Yes, first of all, to , you have tolice reform america. America needs to be reformed as one race, brothers. It does not matter. We all want the same rights. We all want to be truly equal. We should be changing some of the constitution and changing some of the laws. We are human. We all bleed together. We bleed red blood. We breathe together. Host brenda, you have to turn on the television, as a reminder to you and others, to just talk and listen through your phone. Caller my son is a cop, a city cop. And he was not hired by his credit score. He was hired by his qualifications. He had to go to college. He had to go through training especially for state troopers, for 12 to 15 weeks after he had become a state trooper, even though he had already been a cop. There are black people who apply for the jobs. Ive seen plenty of black cops. Just iem, they dont know. Look at the cops. Look at the records of who is making the arrests. You have also got to look at the records of the people who are arrested. And you also have to look and see who is committing the crimes, and why the cops are so distressed. Like the man the other night, why did he run . If he was was just drunk, lying there asleep, if that is all there was to it, he would not have run. There is something else. There is more he was hiding. That is how come he started resisting arrest. Host how do you know that . Caller why did he resist arrest . What if he resist, greta . Most people when they resist arrest have mortified . Host im asking how you know the answer to that question. That is what i was asking. I was wondering how you know the answer to that question. Caller well, i dont. Thats what i said. Did they check his blood . Have they checked his car . Thats what im saying. Lets investigate this and see what else, why he was resisting arrest. Why did you take a cops taser . I think cops have a right to defend their selves, and when you are running away from them, and you turn and you point a taser at them, they have a right to go home, too, just like these people. There were more white People Killed by cops last year. I think it was like 370 times versus 235 black people last year. There were more white People Killed by cops than there are black people. Kathy in bakersfield, california. Kathy, good morning to you. What do you support in Police Reform . Kathy, what do you want to see washington due on policing . Alright, we will move on. Elaine in california. Elaine, good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you, cspan, so much, all the time. I feel we should consider Police Officers a license. States, lawyers, doctors, barbers all kinds of people require licensure. There is a board to receive complaints and grievances. That is my number one point. I think that should be considered seriously. Water treatment operators everybody i know in california needs a license to do most everything. And there is a good side to that. Number two, i feel like it is a Human Resources problem we have here. I feel that every Police Officer should be psychologically screened before the point of higher, and they should be screened regularly afterward, to make sure that the stress of the job is not causing them to be more aggressive. Aggression comes from fear. I really think we have to dig a little deeper here as to what happens when Police Encounter people of all kinds doing bad behavior. It is a scary situation. Cops dont always like to admit that. They always like to act like they are in control. But the truth is, it is a very frightening job to do. So i feel that psychology plays a big role there. Thank you very much. Host douglas in culpeper, virginia. That morning. Share your thoughts. Caller thank you for taking my call. I think the whole nation and each person needs to learn right from wrong. We are all adults. It does not matter the color, black or white. We need to learn to do correctly and do right to one another. If we turn back to the bible and things of god we have turned so far away from it that the nation is not going to be corrected until the Lord Jesus Christ comes back. Host richard, malden, massachusetts. Reform theould [indiscernible] first before they reform the police. At wendys, that woman asked why he ran. He was on parole. He was out on parole. That is why he got out and ran. They do all the backgrounds on the cops, but they do know backgrounds on the guy that gets killed. They should do a background on him. Dope dealer. They never say nothing about it. Man, yeah, family but the black children dont know who the parent is. Thank you very much for listening to me. Aaron in baltimore. Good morning. For everyone who keeps calling in and say the gentleman had a [indiscernible] the public trying to use it against them. To me, that is a load of crepe. Convenient for them to sit there and say that [indiscernible] to shoot him in his back. No, thats not right. Thats not right. No one should be shot in the back running away from a person. That is just not warranted. Thank you. Host georgia, elijah, good morning to you. Just wanted to comment from the union aspect. America has a great history of unions. A union is a balance and check in the workplace. ,hen we think about the members whites and blacks, the majority isthe time the leadership whites. We have blacks that have been on the jobs over 15 years still not in executive level positions. A lot of times i have heard someone Say Something about the black leaders. Or the leaders are jim crony crow negroes who are keeping the money for themselves. I support unions. Everybody has the right to be protected. Sometimes people make mistakes. At the same time, you cant shoot people in the back. Of thet just do some things that are being done maliciously. So that is all i have in common. But i think americans need to Work Together and try to keep balances and checks in the workplace. This tweet,ays in limit qualified immunity for Police Officers. Create a National Misconduct registry, and the use of no knock warrants, and make lynching a federal crime. She also says limit the transfer of military grade equipment to state and local police departments. Require federal Law Enforcement to use body cameras, and make the use of such cameras more widespread among state and local police. And then another tweet from one of our viewers. The city council are not prioritizing commune he policing. They are funding crime reaction. 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