All day here at the Library National book festival where celebrating the importance of reading and authors and books. The library of Congress Makes it easy to do this year it is a huge undertaking and huge financial undertaking we cant take for granted that this will continue so i would ask you to considerti making a contribution right now using your cell phone. You can send a text to make a onetime gift that will be added to your g phone bill. The details are on the screen and on the back of your program and as soon as you finish the contribution, please silence your cell phones. Now onto the main event i would like to introduce the cochair of the National Book festival. [applause] we are pleased too have one of the bestselling authors of person that wrote his first book and on the bestsellers list. How many people have read the book. Wow. How many are going to read the book. How many people are going to buy the book today . P okay. Guest is j jd vance. [applause] introduction, a native of middletown ohio and graduate of the middletown high school. He then went into the marines for four years and served in iraq. [applause] and came back, went to ohio state and finished in two years. [applause] then went to Yale Law School, graduated as a member of the journal, clerk for a federal judge for a year and is now in the investment world in washington, d. C. And is married to a former classmate from Yale Law School if you see a twomonth work somewhere that is his son. So shortly when you started to write this book in your wildest imagination you could not have thought you were going to write a New York Times bestseller or didoo you . I certainly didnt think i would. Where did the idea for the book come from . It actually started in law school and the genesis with some of the concepts and ideas i wrote about in the book and the question in the United States at yale we had to write a thesis in order to graduate and i wanted tout write about the legal and policy implications in the United States or the lack thereof and the more i started to talk through the idea, the more especially my primary advisor to a. She thought i could write something that was interesting but also powerful and as i continued to write the book i was a little resistance to that at first i didnt like the idea of opening up my personal life but the more i wrote the more i realized to the degree i had a unique contribution and i understood these things from the inside as opposed to an academic. So you had the idea of writing a book. How long did it take to write the book lacks i was always working on a parttime, so i had another job while writing the book and so i started writing it to words the middle of 2013 and i finished towards the end of 2015. Longhand on the computer . My hand writing is absolutely terrible. So, as you are writing it, did you have a publisher line it up . At this exemplifies the social capital and social connections on these important benefits. So when i started to think about making this into a book project she said okay let me introduce you to these people i know in the publishing world and one of the people she introduced me to a. The hard partt for me was gettig into the agent publishing world. I wanted to abandon it and my wife can probably tell you how miserablery i was about 50 of e way through the process. For me, what was so tough is once i got about halfway through the book obviously it was too late to give up. I s could just stop writin writt writing an additional 40 or 50,000 words still seems imposing and i realized theyre what therewhat i didnt realizeo the project that i ha have a 101 ratio of words typed to those that need it in the final manuscript, so i didnt realize how bad it would be until i was about halfway through and yes, i definitely thought to myself what it be possible to get out this . So the publisher had some confidence into the initial print run was 10,000. 10,000 is not 500,000 but it is good for a first author. At what point when the book came out did people say there are not enough copies anymore. I went to check my amazon ranking to check in real time how the book is actually selling so there was a point in my life i was checking it every seven or eight seconds. I realized then we dont have enough books out there so thats when they started to turn on the process. I dont know how many total or in print. It came through a conversation with my agent, i wanted the word hillbilly to be in the book title. I thought it captured both the sort of particular cultural segment i was trying to write about but i also thought that it captured this sort of interesting inside or outside dynamic that existed in my family where my grandmother would say we are hillbillies, we are allowed to call each other hillbillies but if anybody else calls you aer hillbilly, then yu have to punch them in the nose. So it was a sort of interesting word that always had a textured meaning as i grew up so i wanted to be in the title, but its something that really had to take a while before i was more comfortable, and i think that was her idea to pair it up and there were a couple of reasons for that. So now the book has become so well known. It depends on where im at. I guess noticed a pretty fair amount and i get noticed sometimes in dc and certainly i was back in Eastern Kentucky and ohio but i was in nashville a week or a week and a half ago and i didnt get noticed ones. You have to make a record of air or something i think. [laughter] what has been the reaction of the families o family that manye really do not want revealed about themselves, either every family secrets what was the reaction of the family to this . I didnt reveal every family secrets. [laughter] you know, its interesting, in talking to my family about revealing the secrets i think that i noticed there had been a slight shift from when i started to write a book to where it is now. People were much more open about spilling the Family History on the pages of a book that no one expected anybodydy to read. So i think now that we are at the number of t copies weve sod and people are talking about the book, or is a little more sensitivity that some people definitely say. People appreciate it is an important and worthwhile story to tell. Especially since this is on cspan but talk about the book itself. Ive read it and enjoyed it a great deal. One thing is the writing style was very crisp and clear and to the point, not a lot of excess verbiage. Second, it is extraordinary and almost like a novel and third the impact. Lets go through these first. First, the writing style word you gifted in college and also, where did you get this crisp and clear writing style . I think definitely law school helped a lot in that regard because one of the things they teach is dont write with a a lot of excess verbiage. Try to be clear and correct but also engaging. So thinking about how to write as a lawyer and cut out the excess words was definitely helpful. But its interesting you asked if i was a talented writer. I dont know if you think i am a talented writer but its funny because there was in eighth grade biography that i had to write and my family still has a biography and its interesting because it is very similar to what is in hillbilly and they will pass it around like such a great writer even at 14yearsold and then when my wife picks up the same thing and feeds if she will say your family isnt being honest with you. Youre not the good of a writer when you were 14yearsold. [laughter] i dobe think that wall school helped. Theres a story i tell in the book where the first big writing assignment i handed it in, i was proud of that and this professor handed it back and circled a big section and said this is masquerading as a paragraph. So if you asked him if i was a talented writer, he would probably say no. So having a first book that is very successful, normally publishers will go to the offer and say you are ernest hemingway, you are great, lets have another book right away and the sooner you get it out, the better. So surely they want you to write another book. Are you thinking of writing one right now . . I think i eventually will. My view on this is its not something i am trying to undertake tomorrow. If i write another book, it will be a couple of years from now as opposed to immediately. Butrs eventually, there wille a paperback edition. Edition. While you edit or change it a little or go the same way . I will probably go with the same way. I would like to add a chapter just to contextualize some of the political salience a lot of people have attributed to the book because when i started writing this in 2013, i have no idea thahad noidea that it would to so i think i would like to write at least a little bit about that but otherwise the rest will stay the same. Before the paperback comes out or maybe after commanders a movie and ron howard is producing the movie and directing as well. Who is going to play you . I dont know. The thing about this as i wanted to be somebody that is good looking but not so good looking but they are disappointed when they actually meet me. [laughter]od but yeah, this question i have trouble with because who really fits into that not too warm and not too cold category. Lets go to the second part of why it is successful and that is your life story. For those that may not have read the book, i dont want to give away everything but a paragraph. Where were you born . Middletown ohio. In your biological mother and father were married at the time . They were. Okay. Did they get divorced shortly after . Very shortly after. I think i was a year old if memory serves. Your biological mother was raising you in your early years . Correct. Then you had a very close relationship with your maternal grandfather and maternal grandmother. What were their names you called them . Mamaw and papaw. Is that a hillbilly word or unique to your family . It is common in the broader culture. To the sortlusive of hillbilly culture but its definitely something people from that region of the country disproportionately called her grandparents mamaw and papaw. People on the east coast might say what is hillbilly about ohio, that is the center of the United States. But you described your roots were really fromas kentucky. You came to ohio come your family came to ohio. They were part of a massive migration from places like Eastern Kentucky, tennessee, West Virginia to the industrial midwest and i think when they moved they also brought a lot of their cultural attributes with them. Them. As of again, even though my family was in southwestern ohio, you know, we traveled back to Eastern Kentucky a lot because i spend so much time with my grandparents, i spent a lot of my formative years in Eastern Kentucky and it always felt i got was our homeland. Its interesting that is a common attitude. Folks have countryiv music songs like stories of mine grew up in the industrial midwest in michigan, indiana or ohio and felt like their home was in West Virginia because they spend much of their life in these places and that is where their family waspl from. So you are growing up and have a stepsister . A sister, yes. Different data, same. Those are being raised by a single mother. How did she supportd herself . Mama i remember became a nurse sometime after maybe i was eight or nine. A couple of years she wasr a nurse and they were pretty good at times economically during the period in our lives and before then, i dont know. I think she worked odd jobs. My grandparents helped out and certainly one of the stories in the book is after mom was no longer working in nursing, things were pretty tough for our family economically and more importantly not just socially, there were a lot of issues. Or your mother or was married or had mail relationships with People Living with her four or five or six different times. Wasnt that kind of disconcerting to see a different man in the house all the time . It was definitely an unstable childhood from the people coming in and out of oure lives and i didnt realizeze until i was olr whawould affect that was havingn me. I certainly didnt like that i befriended this guy or felt like he was starting to become a bit of a father figur figure and ala sudden he was out of our lives. I knew a lot of my friends from back home were going through the thing. I didnt quite appreciate the te effect it was having on me until i was older to look back on these things. At some point you redevelop a relationship with your biological father and lived with him for a while but that wasnt as pleasant an experience as you thought it would be. He had his life together living with my stepmom and they had a happy home life and in some ways i was looking for that family stability i think in the eighth grade or so when it happened but i also realized that ive become incredibly attached to my grandmother because even when i was living mom and the kids, we spent a ton of time with her grandparents and the mom struggled with problems and the spend more and more time with our grandparents, so there was a weird moment where i was living with my dad and i recognized he had a sort of normal home as people understood that i just felt so desperate to get back to my grandmothers house and live with her and that is eventually what i did. I dont think ive realized until that moment that in my own mind and in my own heart, she had become my chief caretaker. So you live with your biological mother for a while and it was not as happy an experience as you hoped. You moved in with your maternal grandmother and grandfather and they are passed away now. He was very close to you, so the shock of his passing away, how did that affect you . It affected me i think it all the ways the death of a parent affects a younger kid. Because of the situation growing up, because of the revolving door, he was the closest thing i have to a dad during those formative years. He was the person who took care of things, he was the person that made sure we have all the things we needed and was just an emotional supportsu for me and y sister and my grandmother. I always had a sense that if he was around, things would be taken care of. He was always the person who was the columnist when family drama was happening. He was the person who never lost his temper or flew off the handle. Even as much as i loved my grandmother she had a temper and he didnt, so i think that in effect it affected me in a number of ways but the way that it affected the most of all is what camee after it. I understood as a kid. Instinctively that he was the glue that held the family together and i realized it in the obvious way with what happened. So you lived with her mother for a while but then during one point she was violent with you and difficult to deal with and had a drug problem as you recount in the book. There is an experience where police came and saved you from your mother; is that fair . Yeah. I think about this story a lot because i wonder. I was 12 or 13 when this happened and i always wonder if maybe it wasnt quite as dangerous as i remember. I think in part its because im closethats becauseim closer tn some ways, people try to remember things in a way that they reflect fondly on people they love, and i certainly love my mom and we are doing pretty well in our relationship now. You know, i was terrified. I mean, i thought we were going to die. I thought mom was going to try to kill us and so in the car, the car was traveling very fast and she was certainly didnt seem especially stable until i got out of the car and ran and eventually found a woman who called the police and the police came and arrested on and she was charged with Domestic Violence. So that was obviously a pretty dramatic moment. There is no other way to cut it. Did you then go live with your grandmother or the did you go back and live with he your mother after that incident . For a time i lived with my grandmother. Again, i was always living with mamaw for weeks or months at a time even when things were going well, so it wasnt that different from it wasnt that much of a departure from the normal routine, but i went and lived with her for a little while and eventually moved back in with mom, but thats the place where things went with us. When you were growing up when i was growing up i did have the experience as you did, but to totally recall what happened when i was 12, ten, nine unaccounted recall that . Do you have document or how do you know the incident so well flex i think this is where being able to rely on your family really helps. So, a lot of the stuff i tried to cross reference as much as possible with my aunt or sister or mom, dad. What happened here . Heres the draft, heres the manuscript of this particular story. What am i leaving out orre missg or rememberingng incorrectly . Going back tok how the family reacts to the buck, thats one of the reasons they reacted pretty well is because i tried to make them a part of the writing process. It wasnt just from my memory to the page. I tried to make it a familytr memoir a msn did as i said in te introduction, i am sure things are not perfect, but they certainly are how i remember them and i think that they are for the welldocumented as much as you can with a memoir. In the book you obviously point out your grandmother died as well and that must have been dramatic. Were you living with her at the time . This was before i left for iraq in 2005 and you were graduating from high School Living with her . Yes, almost all of high school and left for the marines from her house. Succumbing to were filling out applications, you write in the book, for college. And either you thought you couldnt afford college or you werent sure you were ready. What is the reason you didnt go to college after high school . Definitely i didnt feel ready. I thought i had enough maturity of the time to recognize this maybe was mighty real opportunity to have anything in the way of a good job or a good career. If i screwed this College Thing up, that would be pretty much it, blowing my one chance. Because. Of that, i didnt want to take it for granted and i thought i was in a position as a person if i went to college, i felt like i would have taken advantage of it. The cost part of it was definitely a significant issue as well. It wasnt just the cost. Obviously i knew i had to take out all these loans and we knew there were programs and things, but even with that i knew therea ofld be a significant amount debtfi to incur, but it was actually more of logistical side of it for me to college seemed so imposing. If you think about filling out Financial Aid paperwork, what is your dads annual income or your dads address . At that time, id spoken to my legal father in six or seven years, going and finding that information would require a certain amount of detective work. There were these pages to sign off on thesein massive loans. It seemed really imposing and in some ways a little terrifying to go through this entire administrative process that no one in my family have gonene through and i didnt feel comfortable doing it myself. Sees that i will walk down the street and go to the marine recruiter . I think that is a simple version of what happened. At that point, there were six kids in my generation and grandchildren. My older cousins, my sister and two younger cousins and both of the older cousins had, so i was encouraged very strongly by my cousin who was in the marine corps and said ify you are worried about how you are going to pay for school and more importantly aboutas whether you are ready for college you should go join the marine corps. It will be good for you. Youu will get out of town, see some stuff, gain Financial Independence and you should go and think about doing that. So you signed up for the marine corps. Did your family to you that was a good idea . Well, you know, its definitely a Patriotic Community and family, so people were proud of me. But they were not especially happy that i have chosen remember i guess i signed up in 2003. We just invaded iraq, weve been involved in afghanistan for a little while. There was definitelyta apprehension, justifiably so, enough with joining meant and what i was getting myself into. And mamaw especially reacted negatively. She framed my decision to go to the marine corps and of collegee almost as a betrayal. You are going off and leaving me to take care of myself. You could get hurt. And i think that was obviously very hard, but ultimately she understood. Succumbing you into basic training anwent to basictrainin . You couldnt get through basic training . I wasnt afraid i couldnt get through. Maybe when i was in high school i was afraid of the physical demands and so forth, but they drillni instructor told me actually if you think that they are kind of mean they will be nothing like that grandmother of yours. [laughter] i really thought so long as i could physically cut it, the psychological part would be fine and i would be able to make it, and that was true. Marine corps boot camp is definitely challenging, but its also in a weird way its kind of fun. Maybe its like stockholm syndrome and i know a lot of people that enjoyed their experience. Your grandmother by the way, recounting the book she had a colorful language. [laughter] did that rub off on you and how did you avoid or she never was embarrassed to use those words around youff or you didnt say anything aboutnd it . I think my son isu too young to show evidence of how foul my language is. Idd definitely try to cut back on the language relative to my grandmother because she really loved a dramatic and well placed as word you go from her house to the u. S. Marine corps and the phrase curse like a sailor doesnt comeou from nowhere so e marine corps is perfect the department of the navy and i think i definitely have had to scale back my language just to operate in civil society. [laughter] but its like an ingrained in me come and so you were in the marine corps, get through basic training and then go to iraq. Were you afraid you wouldnt come back in one piece were not sure he would survive . I think anybody when they are about to deploy to iraq are worried whether they will come back in one piece. The thing to remember is that i had the military occupation specialty where we have lost some people to combat deaths and injuries, but it wasnt quite, i wasnt thinking quite as much about the danger as i would have been if i were working in the infantry for example, so i was worried about it, but i also tried to talk myself up and recognize it will be dangerous, certainly more than driving down the street but i will probably end up coming back okay. So for four years you leave the military and then you decide you want to college. You thought you were ready for it but then you were four years older than many of your college contemporaries so why did you decide to go to ohio state not that its not a great place to go, but did you consider any otherre places . A few hands out there. [applause] [cheering] i think its possible to sort of make these decisions seem more rational than they were. Os the reason i wanted to go to ohio state is because i grew up loving ohio state and a lot of my friends have gone there. I wasnt as thoughtful as my College Decision as i should have been. I had a great experience and i am glad i went, but it was basically just good luck i found myself there. I i wasnt sort of thinking as smartly about it as i should have been. Normally people go to college for four years and you seem to get through ohio state and two years. How did you get through in two years . You take a lot of classes, go through the summer and transfer credits uganda during the marine corps over to ohio state. Those were enough to enable me to cut off a couple of years. How did you support yourself and where did the money come from . Did you have grants or did they supplement you . I was no longer in the marine i wasnt getting a salary anymore. A little bit of savings and debt that i incurred. I borrowed some of the subsidized loans. I had some pell grants and had a g. I. Bill which i was trying to save for law school but i used some during college and worked jobs during college, so those multiple different sources of income. So you graduated in two years and then you decide you want to go to law school but have you point out in the book, there are not as many peopl people going e or harvard from ohio state so as opposed to some other school in the midwest. This is another thing i wasnt thinking super strategically about it. I applied a few law schools and i got into them and sort of was thinking about going to one oft those schools and one of my best friends the best man at my wedding actually he himself was a lawyer and said look, if hes got good grades and can get into because the place, this is 2009, right after the recession. Ive got friends from law school were struggling to find work. So, you should try to get in the best you can because that will be the best insurance policy against unemployment so then i took off a bit of time to. You were an average high school student. How did you change from a mediocre students t student to w student . Putting it charitably in high school a couple of things. I was a more mature person. This was an opportunity nobody foisted upon me and so i just tried harder. Paying for it and seeing the bill go up i was lucky to be able to go there. She hadnt had many Educational Opportunities and was super smart. I should take advantage of it and try hard. Yale law school is the hardest to get into the United States. Many people go from harvard, yale, princeton. Do you feel out of place there were not that many people in the class from ohio state . It was weird to me because i realized there were high school more than there were my university which struck me a little bit weird but its definitely a Culture Shock more than any place that id been. Ive been. The marine corps, ohio state. It was sort of astonishing how different the expectations and the background word from some of my classmates relative to where idi came from. Bill clinton came from arkansas and is to take. Did you say im a hillbilly from kentucky and ohio and im different i am as good as you guys or how did you fit in . I dont know that i ever introduced myself i am a hillbilly from ohio, how are you . I was a pretty strong ohio partisan even in undergrad i think everyone knew where i was fromyo, but i dont know if i ud that phrase. How did you do and feel . Were you at the top to the bottom . I dont think i was at the top by any means. My wife was a top. I definitely didnt do as well as heard. The weird thing about yale is they dont give traditional grades comgrades comes with harw where you rank relative to your fears. I thought that i was fine, i wasnt at the bottom but i wasnt at the top either. I was comfortable with that. You wrote your way onto the journals which is one of the best things you can do that then you decided you wanted to practice law and be a clerk, what did you decide you want to do . We had an opportunity to go to kentucky where is she . There she is. Okay. [applause]. I dont know. When addiction hits our family with prescription pain pills it wasnt especially common in the 90swe and to talk about the Opioid Epidemic so i do feel in some ways i got that early insight into what would become a crisis. Why has it gotten worse . There is a ton of Different Reasons and explanations so to be honest if this was addictive and to have a significant prescription problem ever those that were dealing with it with High School Kids used to hang out now they get into the bed is a cabinet to pass around a drug that is a different kind of problem. And it is a consequence of negative social problems for girl get you have Domestic Violence when people do to deal with it with alcohol. Avoidedeem to have with the use of marijuana but nothing is addictive. Mamaw was very cognizant of the problems of addiction and was really strict program she found out we cigarette she would fly off the handle. She appreciated just how bad addiction could be and a role in the family for the first 30 years of her marriage was alcoholism and very much on guard. One of those people who dont like to take ibuprofen for a headachepl because i really uncomfortable with the idea because i have seen trap a lot of people. I got really sick i had monod and they gave me a synthetic opioid. I was in the h hospital and i remember calling basically everyone in my family to say i know that mamaw didnt want us to take this because it is fantastic. [laughter] so to be on i guard and alcohol smell avoided alcohol . No. [laughter] and once or twice a week but i have never felt the special the addicted to anything except chocolate chip cookies and i. C. E. Cream. Talk about employment the with the left kentucky they have then hollowed out. So can you describe it is Getting Better or worse . And that the economy has picked up a a little bit. And where it was 30 or 40 years ago. And with the 50s and 60s maybe not as bad as it was but now with a longterm significant economic shift. And honesty policy makers everybody thought the economy would adjust in two different professions but obviously that is the undercurrent of the book. There are a lot of Different Things we couldar do about it but the first to have you are given the choice when you graduate from high school to work at fastfood or get a four year College Education we should provide for pathways. It is unsurprising that those of the only two pathways. [applause] we have to think more constructively about Economic Development that as a local municipality in my home town they are fantastic but that is not the longterm economic redevelopment. Basically all levels of policy makers have to think differently than they are right now. Is somebody writes a book as successful asod yours at somets point with that republican bin committee you are a great candidate and maybe something even higher. You wouldnt preclude any thing from happening . So that progression in this when they come to you. With those people who have these jobs . And i have talked to a couple of members of congress in this environment doing what you do. A like working on policy but the problem is we dont do that. [laughter] so if you would run for something. With alcoholism and opioid addiction and to make that part of your career talking about these issues . Not to be seen as a but now that i have this platform i might as well do something productive with it. There are other issues that we are talking about i tried to be a constructive participate present a few months ago going to capitol hill talking toin folks about the Opioid Crisis affecting people from back home and to try to be constructive so in those non constructive times you have to be careful and smart and recognize even when you try to be careful and smart. If you talk to members of congress with a Congressional Staff to they just want a picture with you for your autograph or do they listen . It depends on o the member and the staff members. Generally speaking maybe i have become more cynical of the political process just from talking to people i do feel more optimistic about individual members and staff by and large they want to make a difference for what effect it will have regis happen to with that period where it is hard to translate interest of policy people might call themselves hillbilly or hillbilly culture are they proud of your book to expose those challenges or upset . Opinions differ. There are people who think i am basically a traitor and hate my guts and people who think i have shed light on important issues and they appreciated. What i hear most from people back home with their ratted to me on the street it is talked about in a way that was not before that no betty talkedabout. Bring up with instability your addiction or where you are worried pay for college or fundamental things. That is the most gratifying but it is a region that is larger or diverse. What is the most frequent question . As a contributor to cnn what about your book or background . It is about how my family reacted to the book. She is not married now she is living back home she has been clean for a long time. Schumann may not be ready to play the role but maybe that is a good example fivers six times knocked offha of addiction and back into relapse. It is still possible to make another go at it. And the biological father . Yes. I got a text message from her. He is doing well. He is a great guy and most often talk about his grandson and that he is most interested. And what is your sister doing . And back home from middletown. And what we wanted to accomplish and to give that stability and comfort that we did not have as kids . Doing that for almost 20 years. I have done that for three months. Do your friends from High School Lab at your jokes or treat you m differently now you are so famous and wealthy . Today asking for money . Sometimes. But that is not a common occurrence but definitely there are some people that laugh louder at my jokes are real friends do not. So what a successful book can do you can realize not to get too big for your bridges. Ge so leaving aside your potential political career youre not practicing law with the highest calling of mankind. So why do you choose to go into that area . And also living in ohio . Right. So itd is done well . To help create amazing new products and companies and then i had a veil behind my eyes and then to call the shots of the Economic System to figure out where capital those. So i would like to be as a guy who figures out where they will do a lot of good. [applause] some people ride the book that is so successful they have a hardar time writing a second book they give riders but because nothing could be as good as the first. You dont worry . And donald my first was that good so any followup could be measured well but it certainly was very successful. What do you wanto to do as a role model . Now rightly or wrongly with that Critical Role model to live the life a certain way you should give back to your community how has your life changed as a result of this book . I certainly feel a responsibility not to make my a entire community seem like idiots because i have notli appreciated that people see me as a spokesperson for the white workingclass. Ive mastered the one television what does the trump of voters feel about this issue . That is not fair for cornell think any person could speak for that many people or the trump voter at large. What i try to do is recognize people cbs that representative so i try not to sound like a total buffoont but that is one way things have changed. A yearandahalf ago i was not sitting here in an auditorium in front of hundreds ofdi people. And then sitting at home. President of the United States i read your book for you havent had that kind ofre reaction . I havent from President Trump for those that work at the white d house but no i have never gotten a phone call. So today you are a very happy person . The child, of white, very happy person today . Of this make your life even better . It seems my life in the were old way but a positive way. I thought it was a great book i highly recommend to those who have not ready yet if you have read it again. Itwh is well written thanks for reading it to the conversation. [applause]. Will come everybody this