Transcripts For CSPAN2 Craig Huey The Deep State 20240713

Craig huey is the author. Mr. Huey, how do you define the deep state . Guest the deep state is not just what most people consider to be the government and government bureaucrats. Its far greater than that. The deep state, many people say there is no deep state. Well, i believe there is the, and i think historically we find that from the beginning of government there has been a deep state. In my book i i actually go into where the word came from, from the early 1900s in turkey. And the deep state are bureaucrats and the infrastructure that continues no matter what the administration is. And the case here in the United States, i talk about the deep state with the Government Employees, i talk about the how its different than it has been in the past, and heres the thing, i also talk about basically a collusion of nongovernment entities that are in support of the government bureaucracy, the deep state. So lets start with the government bureaucracy as you call it. Wasnt it important to have a Nonpartisan Civil Service . Guest ideally, if youre taking a civics class in college, thats what you would think would be. The whole idea is people, theres 1. 8 Million People that are in the federal government. And, of course, theres state government, local government, a lot of different employees. But the 1. 8 million who are in the federal government, you would hope that they were really efficient, the, managers are efficient, theyre effective. They understand what to do and get things done. Theyre hard working. They know exactly how to be able to solve problems. Yet whenever you take a close look at government, people are shocked and horrified at what happens. Most people can relate to the dmv. You walk into the dmv, theres your bureaucracy as youre waiting in line and finding people closing windows just as youre ready to be served. You find that the Veterans Administration has had headlines because of how ineffective and inefficient the bureaucrats at the vet hospitals have been. You can go on about the water structure, you can go on so many Different Things that the idea of efficiency and bureaucracy just are not compatible words. Its a different type of thinking. What has happened is that we want to have people in government who are hard working and effective, efficient administrators. But what has happened is that we set up a structure that the, number one, people who are unaccountable. You hardly know if somebodys doing their job or not. And if you do discover theyre not doing their job, in todays bureaucracy they cant be fired. We see that most commonly talked about in Public Schools where theres tenure, and you have an inefficient teacher, and they cant be fired. Or you have a teacher that is actually doing harm to the kids, and theyre being still paid but set aside in a room by themselves. Government bureaucracy by its nature tries to hide, tries to be able to protect itself. And i normally talk like this the number one purpose of a government bureaucracy is to protect itself. Protect itself from light and knowledge of what theyre doing, to protect itself from criticism, to protect its budget. The number two participant of bureaucracy part of bureaucracy, how do we grow and justify our existence and grow the bureaucracy. And those in and of itself are problems. And if you had a nonpolitical governmental group, you could still work within how do we make it more efficient. But theres a third factor thats happened, and that third factor is the politicization of the bureaucracy. And thats whats happened in recent years. You know, with president obama when he came in, one of the things i would do is id go to washington d. C. Id have meetings in d. C. And one of the things i noticed the right away from 2009 on whenever i went to a restaurant, wherever i would go, id go to a meeting, everywhere there were people in their 20s that had been hired. They were not managers, they were up qualified unqualified to really run a department or be part of an infrastructure or part of a bureau, but they were hired, and they were hired because they had ideological agreements with president obama. And the bureaucracy became ideological, that their idea was not to simply the democrats won or the republicans won, but lets transform society. And so they had a mentality of big government, mentality of collectivism and a mentality of statism that government was the answer. Their god was the government, and the government was going to make a better society. And that is a deep belief system that they have a purpose. And when the shock came that donald trump had had become president , unlike in the past with the way the structure of the federal bureing rock city is, many of bureaucracy is, many of these bureaucrats stayed in power. And staying in power enabled them to be able to subvert policies of donald trump, to be able to leak stories that would be harmful to donald trump, to be able to actively resist what was going on with the Vice President , his cabinet members, his supporters that he brought in. You had a war, an absolute war going on in any of the bureaucracies, and its estimated onethird of those bureaucrats were ideologically driven to resist what was going on. And thats going on today. And so unlike so much in the past where it was mainly im there to do a good job, im there to be able to help transform society, if somebodys going to resist that transformation, im going to oppose them. And so thats where you have videos coming out of people that during the day when theyre being paid to be a bureaucrat or actively participating in marches or working to undermine the Trump Administration. Host is this unique, in your view, to the obama appointees burrowing into the bureaucracy . Guest unique in this respect. When Ronald Reagan became president , he brought in many, if many free market, libertarianoriented conservatives into the administration, into the powers. But we did not have the situation where there was the protection so that when the next administration came in, you were able to have, you know, a changeover. So with george bush and then with clinton, you were able to have a changeover. With bush you had a changeover. But now because its so impossible to fire someone and theres so many protections that obama has put into place in protection of the bureaucrats, theyve stayed in power. So, for example, out of 8,000 people in the executive services which is called the obama army, theres 8,000 people who are key players in hiring and firing and making policy decisions that are actively resisting at the highest levels of these bureaucracies. Host what are the roots in turkey of the deep state . Guest well, the government bureaucracies and many of the leaders discovered that they had to be able to move about policy regardless of what was happening at the top. So you could see in turkey all kinds of politics going on, a lot of turmoil going on, a lot of instability going on. The bureaucracy in turkey was able to keep stability within the infrastructure, to keep the, you know, to be able to do whats necessary for the infrastructure and the governing, but also to be able to protect the people of wealth, protect the companies that had favor within the infrastructure. So thats where that private collusion comes into play with the deep state. And thats where, what makes this so unusual with President Trump is that as an unexpected president , one who beat the system all the way through where he didnt have k street and the lobbyists, he didnt have the normal wealthy donors behind him, he did not have to worry about being obedient and having favor and doing special favors for these, for these private groups. And normally, that collusion goes on. And trump just has lit a firestorm, just an incredible disconnect between what has been in the past and what is today. Host is he being successful, in your view . Guest i think that when i take a look at President Trumps policies and what hes implemented and his deregular laughses deregulations, its been incredible. Its been huge. I see it with businesses throughout the United States that theyve been able to expand, theyve been able to build more jobs, increase wages like never before. The deregulation has been trumps number one accomplishment. Many would say its the supreme court, and thats very close. But then we take a look at tax to policies and other things. When i take a look at these policies and what hes done, hes been successful there, but hes bypassed his state department and the infrastructure of the state department. He bypassed the epa. The epa came out with an official report condemning his own their own president s policies. The cabinet members policies. You have, again, going back to this onethird quantity of them within the infrastructure at battle, at war, resisting whats going on. Has he been successful . Yes. Is he as successful as he could have been . No. Host mr. Huey, what do you do for a living . Guest im, i guess i have two hats. I have several companies. Im a entrepreneur. My marketing expertise is known worldwide by the books ive written and by the speeches i give and winner of 90 awards in the marketing and advertising area. We do expanse marketing in politics and in business. And my other hat is in the hat of politics. So im very active in the political realm. Host in which state . Guest i concentrate in california, so i operate nationwide. Host and, in fact, you ran for office. Guest i did run for office. Host what happened . Guest well [laughter] its really what brought my marketing expertise to an understanding of what was happening politically. So i did an em possible run impossible run for an office. It was a 20point democratic district, and i was running as a republican. Host jane jane harmons guest she had basically lost any influence and power, so she resigned. She resigns in december, so theres a race going on. I get these phone calls from several people, and they say, craig, you need to run. And i say ive never thought about running, nobody knows who i am and why would i run . And i was getting these calls, and i decided to take the risk. It was a great experience. It was the most bloody, nastiest thing ive ever seen in my life. I couldnt believe how bad politics could get, but it was eyeopening because heres what happened. I ran in a district where i would say, oh, im an expert in market, im going to use my marketing expertise, and ill try to win this election. And i was doing that, and as i sid it, i as i did it, i was running against the secretary of state who everybody thought would be number one or number two. And then janice hahn, the powerful h ahn family obviously a council woman, and the mayor of Redondo Beach and a bunch of candidates that had name recognition, and on election day i almost beat the number one person which was janice hahn. I beat all the rest. I came out of nowhere. The press everywhere was coming at me saying who is this guy, howd he come out of nowhere. And all of a sudden, obama got into the campaign. Nancy pelosi got into the campaign. A variety of people nationwide got into this one congressional campaign. And i was kind of surprised as the election was coming up, the polls were showing that i might win. I lost by 30,000 votes. But id go to the store and somebody would say, craig, i hear youre more of a socialist than a capitalist. I go, whered you hear that . And then id go to church. Craig, i heard youre for abortion, not against abortion. Well, whered you hear that . And i couldnt figure out why these people were getting these what they said were phone calls or people knocking on the door with this data and information about me. And we couldnt figure out what was going on. Well, if the election comes, i lose by a couple of thousand votes. It was kind of a shocker. The day after the election the l. A. Times reports that president obama was absolutely shocked by the loss of 2010. So he got together the best minds at facebook, the best minds of google, the best minds of microsoft, he got together a group of people who developed probably the most advanced marketing machine ever put together by anybody running for president. He put this thing together and gathered the data on what people believed, and he did vieded this between divided this between how to get republicans not to vote, how to get his base of democrats out to vote and how to persuade the persuadables. And he knew what their to be issues were, and he did advanced Digital Marketing what now would be illegal on facebook and a variety of Different Things. And the l. A. Times reported that he did these, you know, 400,000 plus phone calls that my consultants would say, oh, dont worry about those, those are just kind of quick little calls. They were intense calls, 10, 15 minutes of data. And he had an army of people all over the United States, thousands of people the l. A. Times reported that he put together for this campaign. And we lost. But what i did is i started studying what he did, and i said, oh, my gosh, this is better than what we do for our own client ares. This is the most clients. This is the most advanced data modeling, the most advanced Digital Marketing. What hes done is transform politics. And we were the test case. 2012 comes along, romney didnt know what hit him. It was a complete wipeout. And so i learned from that. And whats interesting to bring that story uptodate was along comes 2016, and the, President Trump when he was running, his campaign was in such a disarray, and it was just up organized unorganized. At the last minute they pulled together with who is now his campaign manager, the most advanced digital campaign. Hillary clinton was relying upon all of the geniuses from 2012, the marketing changes so fast. Marketing changes in the blink of an eye. In four years what was good then is not good now. And so marketing changes quick. They were doing the old marketing of 2012 and 2016, trump was doing the most modern, advanced marketing there was in those key states that he wan that he won. He mobilized the church vote by using those techniques like never before. The churching folk came out to vote for him. He was able to bring in people who dont normally vote, people who normally vote democrat, he identified them. So hillary lost because she was not using the most advanced marketing. Trump did. What happens this election, yet to be seen. Host is the deep state defeatable . Guest the deep state ising something that is something that from those people who hold collectivism and statism, who want to see a limited constitutional government, who want to be able to see a Smaller Government and believe that individual freedom is the goal, the amount of down side that has to take place on the federal level and the state level and the local level is a mess. The infrastructure of the bureaucracy is to protect itself, to keep growing, and that has not been stopped. Now, trump is trying, hes trying to figure it out. Thats why you see the bureau of Land Management that theyre about ready to move their people out of washington, d. C. Because he cant fire them. He can move them out. A lot of them are not going to move, theyre going to resign. And if they move them out, they get them out of the swamp and put them out into colorado or wherever it might be. Those are the only ways youre going to be able to break the deep state bureaucracy. Host two examples or, actually, three examples that you use in your book. Number one, fema. Guest yeah. So fema is such a horrific example because people were hurt by the failure of fema. Because here you have a slow moving bureaucracy. Here you have bureaucrats, they have good hearts, they want to help, but theyre tied down by regulations, theyre died down by structures tied down by structures and rules. Theyre slow to act. Theyre reactive, theyre not proactive. So when a hurricane happens, when a disaster happens, what happens with fema . Theyre about the last people the come in. Whos the first . Its the churches on the ground, its the volunteer groups who are coming in immediately. And the problem with fema is that they nationally want to stop these people from coming in, put up rules and regulations that would harm them from coming in instead of making a alliance with them. Its fresh that under the Trump Administration with fema he wants to encourage the volunteer, independent sector. He wants to encourage the churches to be involved. Because theyre the first ones to help, and theyre the nature of help people have. My wife went down to houston, and fema was nowhere. Shes down there with Americans First and other groups tearing down walls, gutting houses, and its independent groups that are really the backbone of america. Alexis de tocqueville when he wrote democracy in america back in, i think it was the 1830s, that was a major thing he saw. He looked around and if his experience in france and europe and what have you, he never saw anything like it. He saw the deep state the, basically, of all these different governments that people relied upon the king and upon the government to be able to provide resources and services. He looked at america, it was people helping people, and they did such a better job than bureaucrats can because they know exactly what the situation is on a oneonone basis. Host example number two, the wealth of the washington area. Guest boy, you know, when you take a look at the bloated salaries in the bureaucracy, its a sweetheart deal between the insurance they have, between the incomes, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year that theyre getting that the average person doesnt get. One of the things that breaks my heart as a Business Owner is i take a look and i see people wanting to get into business, and, you know, the business is the engine of innovation. The incredible Economic Growth that were seeing in America Today has been something that youve got new ways to be able to help people live were better. And what you have with the government is that they stifle that. And thats what youre seeing with those types of agencies. Host example number three, your own experience with the socalled teach state. Guest oh. Well, ive had many experiences with different regulatory agencies where ive seen my clients who faced a government lawyer who thinks theyre doing something wrong, and there might be a small infraction or there might be just a difference of opinion, but theyll use unlimited time and unlimited monies to get them. My own personal experience is i when i was starting off in business, a government bureaucrat came into my office. I had a examination of my books probably six different times. They took a look at my books, and they saw nothing wrong with what i was doing. And this one government bureaucrat comes in and says, oh, you should separate copy from art on an invoice. Copy from art. And because you didnt separate copy from art, the whole bill has to be taxed. And it was like, what . You never told me this before. That doesnt matter. Well, that doesnt make sense. Only this one portion of final art needs to be taxed, not 90 of a bill. It doesnt matter. Well, i cant go back to the clients and get that money. Doesnt matter. I went through the appeals process, i went to the bureaucrat and the bureaucrat looked me in the face, and i said, you know, this is not right, this is not fair. Ive paid all my taxes, but this one is just the wrong way of doing a billing. But theres no fraud here. We were honestly paying our taxes. He says, it doesnt matter. If you cant pay your tax bill, you dont deserve to be in business. And his attitude was i gotta get that money. Doesnt matter if its right or wrong, doesnt matter if its going to put you out of business or not. Ive gotta have that money m that money. And thats kind of the mentality. When people have these government positions and they have these powers that are excessive, and we see it with the fbi, we see it with the department of defense, we see it with all these Different Things, the power comes to their head, and they become abusive. Right now so many of these agencies and so many of these Government Employees are abusing the power because they can. Host craig huey, you selfpublished the deep state. Guest i did. Host why . Guest well, because i have an ad agency, and as an ad agency, i can make more money selling the book myself because i know how to market it. So this is my third book. Ive got two more coming out, and its a better way for me to be able to make the sale. 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