We will celebrate our dear friend Justice Ginsburg with two tributes that come from the heart perkel the first is a beautiful song cycle you are about to hear composed and performed by patrice michaels. If you can find on this wonderful cd with all the lyrics we had a performance of it here last year and its moving setting to music of the ginsburg word to add biography that touched all of our hearts. And i have the extraordinary pleasure to talk with Justice Ginsburg and one of a series that we recall conversations with our bg this book that is offered in tribute to Justice Ginsburg collects our conversations over the years and in this when i will ask her what she thought of the performance and the various biographical incident that is captured so beautifully in music i cannot wait to hear her thoughts. Ladies and gentlemen please enjoy the long your portrait of Justice Bader ginsburg in nine songs. [applause] [laughter] [applause] 2003 as the university of michigan affirmative Action Program. May 2007 the individual statutorily entitled to sue for reparations for pay discrimination. June 2013 Shelby County versus holder regarding the constitutionality of two provisions of the Voting Rights 65. June 2013 university of texas the affirmative Action Program constitutionally sound. June 2014 burwell cam privately held corporations deny Insurance Coverage to the employees of the owners object. [applause] [applause] [applause] that was so inspiring to hear her songs and just to go through them with you because she took significant words from your life and i want to hear more of your reflections about them. I have it in a cd and we will start i have my constitutional reading glasses. [laughter] with Justice Douglas letter in 1843 it is possible i may decide to take one. Is that unusual in the attitude so tell me about the other women who work on the supreme court. [inaudible] and we were told we have no one. But for over 20 years. Because that is a very well known democratic policy. That did not work out so well. [inaudible] but then on the west coast. [laughter] and. And that was typical. And to come from this remarkable police piece that was said so powerfully if you have a letter august 12, 1949 and the advice that your mother gives you in this letter that you often repeat and you told it to me during our conversations. And i asked you how you are actually able to follow it, the advice. Because it is so important to get the exact words, she says prepare for difficult tea to stand on your own 2 feet like Eleanor Roosevelt. What is the context . [inaudible] so with that soprano. But from what i was feeling at the moment. I have to tell you with advice and say there is great to do traditions but how do you actually do it . You said if i dont i will lose precious time. And i find myself every day when im getting ready to lose my temper with anger or jealousy or anything. [laughter] so i try to practice that every day and restrain myself i want you to think of how you do it. You dont go to the gym to work out. How do you clear your mind . Do you meditate . No. [laughter] [inaudible] but not sometimes its okay to be a little. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] [applause] i have to ask you more about it because this is what you write everyone around the country has heard you describe it a matter of fact so that me ask you about the context. You just love your sister who was only six and gone and your mother told you always to move on and dont be stopped by grief and always focus on doing your work. I was to when she died. But she was a presence of me growing up it was a tremendous tragedy. But then to see a child die. You also lost your mother when you were in high school. How did her advice given to you in high school to be independent and be like Eleanor Roosevel roosevelt, carry you forward as you face those challenges . She could not have prepared you. Was it enough just from her . To be independent but to be married and then live happily ever after, it didnt work that way but she said always be prepared. But there was a way so it would be an enormous shame and in 1855. And some of that change took place after you went to law school and the third song is so powerful if you really want to go to law school youll stop feeling sorry for yourself otherwise find to do a way that you want to do you are so focused and your determination is aweinspiring. Did she help you to culminate that . I learned that from a very good friend. And looking at advice that if you really do want to become a lawyer then you will find a way. So then i was thinking do i really want this . The first thing i did. [laughter] and the process to control it. And you are so astonishing early on. And the need to resurrect them. With the art bg exhibit there are editorials from the cornell newspaper. Do you feel after that . You seem to be fully formed and able to overcome your emotions from an extremely early age which i think is so astonishing. From what your mother could not have prepared you . My mother would rather us do well in school but even at cornell if there was room that i would go and i would work with the staff. But she had that also with her she had it and you had it of course you told me last year you are celebrating uber in chambers there were ten or 15 people gathered in a room to celebrate and then you didnt even notice anyone had come up. [laughter]. It was for, but took care of the Different Things for them. And then i went back and you can check on the book. I had to do the best with the time that i had. My husband marty, so it was trialed times. That is would i went one night. [laughter]. From the book, it was when he seen. [inaudible conversation] [laughter]. I also lay back, and thats would i would begin my own work. Then i found out that the telephone doesnt ring, is he revolution you every moment for productive work. For leisure or talk of concern. And i also noticed that i went to work for large law firm, is the first chapter many memoirs. Would event at what was going on, they were is it too tired to be is where. And on alert. Just what that means, i had time to concentrate. The next am working together, and is the story its now mobilized in a wonderful movie. That was scripted by my nephew. [laughter]. Is great that you have your daughterinlaw doing this and is very good to keep this in the family. [laughter]. [applause]. I told him this was for the movie rights, and becky that one. [laughter]. He said because he wanted the book to be as much of a story a sneak narrative is the story of the development into a movie. One factual question i have to ask from the song. She sings a song, her room was bigger. [laughter]. Was lined with textbooks. She was always the girl in the other room. [laughter]. Rather than to ask about and more, i want to ask you about another event, represented because it is extraordinary how focused you are on the details of their lives. And you kept in touch with them. I learned from them and grown with them. Angel be that you going to share this somber on the anniversary the 19th amendment. Tell me if my friends. Twentytwo learn this was an we learn from her. When he first met her and representing her and was she doing out. She was a lt. In the air force. She was a proud student. She was officer. Members of the service, she was told, to those benefits, to women, and that she was allowed. And more on the base. As she in truth,. She was proud to be in the military. [laughter]. [applause]. [inaudible conversation] she is now that woman. We will be in omaha, nebraska, to speak about her trip as part of this generation of a hundred of the 19th amendment. What is she doing now. She was new orleans, she is retired. [inaudible conversation] for the cause and also for, she very to a woman a sneak teacher and she became president of the group. She was in the hospital to give birth. Two remarkable woman. She went down at the moment, a new roof, and that was a hard time before this child came. [inaudible conversation] its for children who were in the house and she told about that. And not available to use, she saw it on mothers benefits. Which was incredible, and out of that, i heard so much talk about womens lib. Thats what happened to me. Into the oval office and a sneak child, she would have to work fulltime to support both of them. And she said does soandso know about this. [laughter]. The women who in the department, who lived in the same places, who wrote goleta, and she called me and she said this is the riley is he. To stephen riley, missus from the best place begin. [inaudible conversation] is available, and is he value and try to recognize still sexual discrimination. Because a sneak married, they want the same. They do not have the same protection. There is discrimination against her for . For a woman her efforts will to take care of the child. In compelled to take care of her family. And they had wrote about women with babies. All of the survivors will true. [inaudible conversation] entered everyone. So extraordinary we do talk about these cases. You kept in touch with people involved any display extraordinary empathy and concern for them. The truth is, in the 70s, these will not staged cases. Not going out looking for incredible stories. These people will alert to go the violence. And gender, and they would right to complain. People would complain regarding the school teachers. Then out of the classrooms, the wouldnt be able to have the shroud. The parents of the children, a and. [laughter]. They were called out of the school room. And then they would return. [inaudible conversation] this was about values. They were working to the ninth month. They had two. So, eventually, in the 70s, a lot of political issues and matters to discrimination. No because they would evolve into a keeper. [laughter]. [laughter]. So i can be destine or discrimination. But there was across the trump, greed that the laws will static. [laughter]. And discrimination would pass at the end. Intestines, discrimination, immigration, and negotiations. [inaudible conversation] similar to what was happening in the university, would i was a law clerk, the Cracker Barrel of five countries. In the early 70s, big numbers, and we didnt know whether to thank them in the other rooms. Now, we have classroom sizes of a lease 50 percent of the class. [inaudible conversation] this is he hard question, its hard to know the sources. In the character let the extraordinary empathy that you have demonstrated for the plaintiffs the represented. And for your law clerks and for your family, and for your friends. It is one of the many striking features about you. Where did that empathy and concern for others come from. How much time had, i regret,. [inaudible conversation] the time i its been with them. What it means for them, and with the law. And you can feel others pain. You will alert to the real challenges of the people you work with. And you represented them. I wrote that in the book. [inaudible conversation] and while people have moved, they changed about to where in another empathetic person. She was on the bench, that speculative trial day. We could be back in quote. Or, she can or have to acknowledge anything that you get. There will be hundreds of people that dont trash the place. [laughter]. But that hillside. Do the right thing. You have the ability to focus on others in the middle of terrorism. You shared me last year, the heard of patrice, beautiful piece. My moment just passed and you handed me a note regarding that and that was in the book they also awful of you and thank you so much to take time and think of her. For the last moment, i would do that. [laughter]. [applause]. A good go to the show. Im of the questions for countries. And i have another. Tell us about the stories. So she was surprised would morning was will briefed and then shut up and then she was impressed by how elegant you are i suppose. And then what will she or was countries and her husband in spanish, i am not a wife, i am a person. Yes. Tells more. The movie was fantastic. [laughter]. You really look back and think about it. What happened to her. What happened. What did she do after this. Are you still in touch with her. [background sounds] are the elevators on. You have told the story. Before but we now know that its happening the Dalton School in the 70s. I was acting behind chairman dalton we now know that the headmaster who called you and called marty, about the elevat elevator, was or more was the weather of our current attorney general. [laughter]. I didnt know that. [laughter]. Any medicine. Ames though stolen in the elevator. It was in the justice department. [laughter]. Tells more about the boss was like. Because it was a very controversial neoconservative character who wanted teachers with pizzazz. And had a very big impact on the school. At the time, i didnt know that. And he was, for a while overactive. [laughter]. [laughter]. We will kind of a cut class clown. Dolphin was. That actor vote. We go upstairs and go through the faces, and was up all night and would come down late. [laughter]. And i was. [laughter]. He would often call. It is a problem. [laughter]. How far would he take it is what i thought. [laughter]. So the was. [inaudible conversation] [laughter]. That would take away from his work. With dunbar, we had been second. Was he training women different than men. [inaudible conversation] can i ask, your lessons are so precious. I am a parent myself. What did you impose on james. [laughter]. Has brought here tonight. [laughter]. Well thought, the getty first two among people to be, he didnt sit still. He would wrap it up. [inaudible conversation] [laughter]. Today, is the most exquisite in the world. So this kind of incredible. Its because i was recording founder,. Im really proud of what he accomplished. It extraordinary. The range of people in his partnership with patrice in her lawyers. You know how the class clown, moved to the tenth greg. The first parent teachers. And he was not afraid. I sent her, this child is he challenge. You need to challenge him. And she did. So she would give them a extra project. And you are in the 12th grade. [laughter]. Any dead. Something funny. [laughter]. And it comes back. At the center of the universe, first i want to ask, do you love music so much. Any relate to it in such a powerful intimate way. Angel knew that it takes you outside of yourself. And would to music, that you cant think about the grief and things you have to do but just focus totally on the music. So i want to ask, what is it like and how do you feel we do heard the great dissent, to the music. Did it strike you a sneak neutral. The neutral range of the emotion, did amplify, honey think they did it. I was told by my parents that a student or i should follow my mother. Early. Let the thought as a verbalize it. And she looked angry. And she said to do something positive. And she took an app but some things that i would write, discounted and not read. [inaudible conversation] you summarize it from the bench. The rest of the flow. She would put that on her book and then cross into wild blue yonder. [laughter]. And did. She would have to wrap it up. And then the two of us, would have something in common but that together. [laughter]. [applause]. [inaudible conversation] in my live, i would think of all right, or was happening is it so week. Ours is so important, this what i would have to do. Thanks deal. Because whatever i could learn, i was looking lessons, and those lessons and those could change. People leaving the live. And one woman for most of her live, and so much responsibility. Her mother, was safe you want to help someone taking care, and you have to change your attitude. We have to be brave. They would have to take on the challenge. Such a liberal law and quote, because we have to be done by midnight. [inaudible conversation] we would have to will dresses, they look professional. I wouldbe perfectly fine. [inaudible conversation] wrote books on relations. It was a challenge. Doesnt really quite fulfill it. My problem was i was speaking to another about and i would look at that little baby. A different approach, and have empathy. We wouldnt go through it if we didnt have to. [inaudible conversation] never rationalized thoughts will. In the big leap challenge that i had was do you get them to see than after they were denied in their favor, that this non producer but in a cage. Is remarkable that we do will nominated and 93, tune after you and i met to 91. The management of your achievements, of the womans movement, they said harvard law school, nominated you. What is appreciated even by some womens groups and some who had sentimental changes. Between 1993 in today. Many people appreciate the magnitude of your achievements on behalf of gender equality. They include, to moment, and chris presence of women in the workplace. The mobilization of young women, how do you account for the fact that society now recognizes the magnitude of the importance of the work you did and jerry quality today. In a way that they didnt even 30 years ago. Is certainly wasnt and 93 by the president of that womens movement. [laughter]. It could be incognito. Who knows. All of this, we know and you talked about it, the tumbler, pop culture, the fact that you are rightly viewing this is one of the greatest figures of constitutional change of the 21st century. In this could happen more recently, in the past ten or 15 years. And you are a person have to count for this but somewhat social cages are most important and sensitizing market to and through eight crucial important gender equality. This is something the law students would go through. Hopefully leads one to be optimistic about the future. Ive often said, but the keeper in the district. In one generation, having rights and ive continued to have information regarding my mother. And then open to me. [inaudible conversation] the World Parliament change, for a vote went women will not seen. [background sounds] your optimism is so inspiring. And only talk about the last july, and the last interview in the book of i asked you whether you will optimistic or pessimistic about the future of the supreme court. And different decisions will you the majority wouldbe a return. And you said you will skeptically hopeful. [laughter]. Are you still spectate only hopeful parade yes. I have to be. [inaudible conversation] world war ii, she was battling a war against racism. You dont know how far you go until you know how far youve come. This is he time would many people say that things have not been good for a long time. Not only made in the United States but around the world, we have seen waves of populism and nationalism that is threatening the Constitutional Values they have defended so eloquently. Why are you optimistic. And what you believe that women will emerge from the sages times those Constitutional Values intact. Because we have in the past. [background sounds] i am optimistic. Its for the people. I tell people to vote for the good. Look to the good. Yes me if i was hopeful. Skeptically hopeful. I want to purely and better world. [background sounds] i am fillable. Filled with hope. What most young people do. What we say to them to keep the values of justice and freedom and democracy. A lot of the women are in a top for the importance of getting out to vote. You can vote in the society. Hotel led to the local orcs. You can vote. [background sounds] bangmac you not a great fan go well late turned you down for courtship because you are a woman. But you did say something. To the fact that and hired a woman before and it didnt work out. Exactly right. He will do that. Yes. He would say useless and talk about women in society. And he felt right in staying it. In our hearts and minds. Theres a very solemn thought about women in society. With that was true on the lessons. [inaudible conversation] it is true if you think its in the book,. Lb gt. Yes. Would people will hiding in closets. I would tell them to come out. And be proud of it. It was so difficult. What happened to them. Citizens, women, who have led you to movements. In advertising about their need for equality in the workplace. And yet they do play some role. In the task of just about one point the came up in the book. He said in one of our interviews, and helped the clerks would an first, nondisclosure agreement in may 2 cases. Wanted to ask you what you said that. Because in a about it. [inaudible conversation] will often armed with agreemen agreements. And women can choose. They could take it or leave it. [laughter]. [inaudible conversation] you remain optimistic about the future me to and balancing of the need for justice and the balance of the me to movement. The me to you movement, wet. Hotel the New York Times they told about two, the story goes. [inaudible conversation] that would not happen today. Thanks to the movement itself. I feel like i need to close but i dont want to give you up. So many full. If you are here its the enchantment of the time i spend with you. Every moment i spend with you as many full. Whether that is some dream that you have yet fulfilled. What is something that you would select a different but some dream you would still like to do. But. I am a dream job. I love what i do. And i was able to do it. I rest. [applause]. [applause]. [background sounds] [background sounds] [background sounds] you are watching book tv, from cspan2. With top nonfiction books and authors every weekend, on tv, television for serious readers. On live program in depth, historian lee edwards chairs and thoughts on current state of the conservative movement. And reflected on his past. I think its very exciting time. Now people are a little bit and conservatives are a little bit void. And we are fighting is it too much. We are arguing is it too much. We are disputing is it too much. Like hatfield news and mccoy news. And i say that is great