Bostonians against sanctuary cities and a variety of issues and educational forums, to talk about immigration. Tonight i want to welcome all of you who may be watching live on live stream and people who are watching on cspan booktv, despite the covid19 regulation this, in lockdown all the time. And and 50 , i want to welcome harlan hill and ryan girdusky. Apparently doing a marco rubio invitation already. And harlan is a consultant the trump reelection campaign, cnn. And someone is the political consultants. And working human events, the first book, another round of applause. [applause] lets get right to the book and prep for this interview. I spoke with steve bannon this afternoon about populism and he said this is an essential primer how we got here with a view of the populist movement, deep dive, steve bannon also said they were with us on the beach. And coulter, you will find her quote, she has high praise on the dust jacket, called this a critically important book with condescension, intelligence and extremely readable and michelle malkin. With a kid from queens, a young man doing, writing about global populism, yellow vest i will start, started as democrats, transition to the republican party, i misunderstood what the Democratic Party stood for. The working peoples party, the party for Small Business owners, a party they would incite, and and forward interests to drive down wages or illegal immigration and i grew tired of traveling all over the country to the midwest and if this doesnt make sense something is going wrong here, democrat and republican say for decades as they cry for people to listen and your publicity, and their communities were shattered by integration and basically shut up and learn how to cope. It was wholesale and came to be a trump republican. On television actually. I am from a middleclass can you hear me . I grew up middleclass, bluecollar, Republican Community in queens, i didnt have a lot of positions but when i was 8 years old overall, at a very early age, when i was in high school i was a big protester of the iraq war but i also saw the radical transformation of communities. And that working on 18 years old, and a lot of people who write about this, let me start writing, i had bill kristol as my coworker in that situation and i was the only person in a conservative institution that trump was going to be the nominee who was going to win and i held my guns, looking for this horrible radio show and there was one radio show in idaho, why do you hate this country that is supporting trump . I wrote an article a year ago in april about the rise in national poverty, i study other countries and noticed what was happening around the world and it is not just here and everything you are being told is a lie. So i said this could be a book. I called harlan hill and he said yes. Yes. Education, corruption feature prominently in early childhood, this one cultural. Nine chapters, very readable. Dont have a college education. Made it as simple as possible to read. This is not about the main point, National Populism occurring on all Six Continents there are human beings on and we break into the conversation of the real nebula national populist leader elected to national governments, 1998, almost 20 years before donald trump. Their reaction was how did this happen . They couldnt understand what was happening, the things that were moving and a big part of the philosophy of politics for instance the 2001 World Trade Center bombing in new york city and washington affected the elections of denmark. First thing they did according to the Washington Post everything we see in politics is cyclical one of the biggest governments work on crackdown on illegal immigration is angola, both african countries and the gdp of the department of homeland security, controlling immigration, not a matter of efficiency but political willpower. So corruption, we have a list of national populists, it is overlap, 9 or 10 of them but a majority of those beliefs overlap. One of the biggest take aways from this book so far is the culture, the cultural war the we thought and i almost wish i had written this book 3 months from now. The shockwaves that have happened over the last few months whether it was coronavirus, the major metropolitan area. Republicans did find. There is a tectonic shift. What i think democrats are trying to do is leverage the advantage they have an education, the advantage they have in the cultural war, control hollywood in the news media and they think this will be there trump movement. One thing about the book that is brilliant is the steps of democratic representation. Countless stories, enough people of color, hundreds of millions of search results. Does the media really represent, does hollywood represent, does the news media represent native american people, you referenced earlier how serious but 92 of news reports, most americans dont. The media doesnt represent america, the media is now office and above, probably have it next year, the numbers up but the media is too white and liberal and too many democratic cities and they have a singular narrative. 30 of the publishing industry, more than 30 percentage points. These people dont even know, they really dont. They dont a shooting happening, they talk about guns, never shot a gun before. The chainsaw next to the ak47. And it is impossible. I believe in astro but the media, an awful lot of interplay between government and media, they worked to the platform a major conservative libertarian website and we saw john bolton who allowed the Trump Administration, what about this between the elites and the press. And government. Most media people, the local news papers making 50, 000 a year, when they go to major outlets, a lot of money for most reporters, they become a brand, Rachel Maddow is a brand, Anderson Cooper is a brand, you know what you are getting that, no consent to do news. It is nike, you know what you are going to get. It is worth it to become a brand, you can get a book deal, television show, Television Contract and give speeches for lots of money. Being a great reporter, there are a few good ones, none are coming to mind. Jennifer jacobson is a fabulous reporter, i dont know her politics at all. I dont know her politics. But there are fewer than anyone else in the problem social media makes all the more visible, how openly political they are, saying things now, you are getting career advances. Ben jacobs wants to punch a young conservative in the face and moved to another paper and donald trump will jump this the way it used to be. What he said is at the ballot box and specifically at the ballot box, easier to spread a lie, that is what they do. Nothing wrong with screwing up and apologizing, you saw the covington schoolboys, that was as big a hoax, they literally a bunch of 16yearold private citizens, they saw a picture on a 30second video and went wild. What happened with google d monetizing. And in this interview today, it started with force. They are fringe, mainstream, monetized and platforms, got thrown off of facebook, simple words, they are crazy, talking to breitbart, that has been going on for years, made money on the traffic. The total monetization, googles perspective of the federalist, what next . The daily caller is going to be the washington examiner, it is going to be fox news, started on the premise, no road to the metal. You cant even wear a tshirt for conservative news channel. Without having your career threatened. And and by trying to shady into the shadows. And on top of that the social Media Network started making it impossible, they are going to promote or get all these other facebook ads, totally rejected with 0 explanation. Because there is actual populism and other keywords. According to the statistic in the book we bring out i mentioned yesterday, having a conversation about the antiracist movement, what words are triggering and was words are not, the statistic in this book is around 2007 certain words like whiteness, racist, white privilege, social justice invoke terminology, exploded in the average content in most major news contexts. Without seeing it we were noticing it, being inundated with conversations we were not really having, reflected in the truth of what was going on in our country. I think that is very stunning that these people who took over the university system, the education system, when i was in college for the first time i said you are joking, thats not a real thing. This will never be widespread. But from the colleges and media they took over the entire institution and that is what we are seeing, through. We certainly know that, this is worlds apart. Ship after ship of refugees, nigel areage, calling in the coast guard, 70,000 atms on the southern border trying to cross to mexico nevermind mexican and Central American but all of this talking about immigrants and for that, neighborhoods will, children have been carved in addiction and crime, a lot of people around here certainly know about illegal immigration and the crisis. The worst state in the country. Can you talk about how immigration and crime do that . The book breaks up immigration into four sections, what is illegal immigration and the other is legal immigration. Crime, the economy and culture, those are the breakdowns so when it comes to a situation in europe and what i mentioned before about the bubble. When the United States and western allies decided to overthrow qaddafi and assad in syria a was massive waste of illegal immigration into europe one affecting the other. The people party in switzerland, the government of 1999 in the government, the party, started in coasts of oh and coservo caused a backlash. What has the United States done . In the United States you have a situation when it comes to crime, the problem with immigration is we have very very little data. In a nation like denmark they will tell you someone is a criminal who is a child of illegal immigrants, in the United States very hard to understand. Not that they are underrepresented in certain crimes, they are overrepresented in many crimes like Identity Theft and drug crimes and libertarian answer is legalized drugs, everyone will be on opioids and the libertarian through drugs out. I the problem is when it comes to illegal immigration, 1980 a 6 under Ronald Reagan it was supposed to stop and we were supposed to have an answer and we had two issues, government stood up and said no especially for democrats, what works in our favor, people children will become democrats. It will be good and we will have us empathetic story, the illegal alien crying and the republicans for big agriculture and big of a culture in 1996 or 7, the democratic congressman from texas, the commission on how to create prosperity in the black community, the person who stopped it were the republicans. Newt gingrich and paul ryans mentor, those are the people had they done that trump was never president. Reduced immigration, 1. 2 million a year, numbers were much lower and the massive theft of immigration on our Cultural Landscape and crime and Everything Else was diminished. Illegal immigration and crime was in los angeles, the conflict between gangs, black and latino gangs. The la times was covered well, the rollout in international news. Im sure you know jamil shaw, so many stories like that the go completely unwatched. Watching jamil shaw, a young africanamerican man, a football star, he was murdered. His mother was serving our country in iraq, murdered by an illegal alien, got out of jail that day, multiple arrests for gun charges and was arrested again. Called his mom middleclass black american family, house sharpton came to the rescue . Did black live matter rescue . No one came, there was absolute silence. And they were throwing molotov cocktails in the homes of black communities, and what black children trusted. Silent across the media. It would have gotten National Attention in any other situation but because it fights their ideology so much that bringing this out in the book because the media is so liberal and white specifically, there is research about this, the only group in this country to have a negative bias toward their own kind. They look at fellow people and warm feelings. White liberals look at white people and have a feeling for that. The only one is that. They cant sit there and bring down their narratives. Legal immigration, Unemployment Rate hovering to 50 , the Trump Administration showed an alarm, 18. 2 million go to work, 4. 2 million immigrants, 916 and work visas with the issue and the shooting of boston, 58,000 students who had special visas coming to school and getting a tax break. The 29 plan, there is a tax incentive to hire immigrants. I approach this. When i first started i would look, i asked myself why the Teachers Union cares about illegal immigration. Why they care about lgbt narrative. It goes on and on. I would think the union working for workers would p. M. Most interested in wages and the safety and wellbeing of their workplace. The politicization on the left. Any labor institution ascribed to whether it is the media and think tanks, members of congress. We need to engage in wholesale transformation of the demographics of the United States of america. They realized they couldnt win on ideological lines and they set out to transform the financial and demographic makeup of the country. In terms of legal immigration, it comes down to one interest, every Big Corporation in this country, in indiana, the tech company in silicon valley, with high skilled jobs they do everything and invest as much power and money as the return on investment justifies. Immigration is really important. We will talk about three things. One is income, economics, the reason we have Mass Immigration, they refused to, i spoke to the Trump Administration many times, people in the administration about this and it comes down to they just dont like it and they are thinking in washington. Or people in the Trump Administration, the machines and slowly we walked it. We havent been able to build up transformation, the Trump Administration and illegal immigration, mexico fundamentally ended catch and release, the construction bill, the third part of country agreements which reduce massive immigration, these things were fantastic for illegal immigration and interior deportation went up. It is because of financial interests at their end controlling a lot of washington. A political definition called post democracy. I dont think we are there yet. And a post democracy. And and the immigration i know that all the usual cutbacks are fighting against it to the and nail, the chamber of commerce, and ruin reelection, what they do is higher all the same people from all the institutions so they just hear the echo over and over. The biggest thing is culture. I cant remember the name of it. California, all the hiphop artists came out, it has been a long week. A couple weeks ago, almost 80 , Maxine Waters will be the last black person ever to represent that culture is gone forever. When white yuppies into the neighborhood, when massive immigration alters the character, had a long traditional culture, black or white to traditional american cultures and probably in that culture they are much different, white from texas is different from white from maine. And a few generalities. We never have that conversation. We are afraid of being called racist. You cant have a conversation. To talk about culture we break down all different studies about at, when you invoke mass diversity they do not accept it and what happens is social trust goes down not only among those, people your are willing to invest when the institution goes down. The least trusting people of america, we celebrate diverse city. Not all immigration is bad and not all immigrants are bad and control over one period of time makes the fabric of our country but 1965 we have the immigration act and ted kennedy and it was highspeed rail and the constant narrative, 19241965 we put a hold on most immigration practices and mass media and international highways grew more tolerant of one another and things happen, it is not you, doesnt happen by accident and easy to break down, sweden and finland for the same country for years and it works, they are practically the same people so saying it will all work because we have america is a nation of ideas is bull crap, it just is. It took a long time to get here, a, nell e. It doesnt happen by accident. The transformation on the cultural level and why that caused a backlash, donald trump, economic, or crime issued the advantage of americans is they feel they are a stranger in their own country, country after country after country, whether it is brazil or chile or italy, it happens all over the place, so fragile and easy to destroy, it is really important. This book is important, there is so much. We are nerds and College Dropouts so a lot of this was the fact that if you feel this way, you cant describe it, you dont know how to make the argument this book is making which is my direction. I will ask shelby a question and while she is collecting questions and take your questions forward, we are going im going to ask Maureen Maloney to come and ask a question. Everybody else hand your questions forward to me. I would appreciate it. Illegal aliens, donald trump ran in 2016 a big Campaign Platform of illegal immigration, the angel parents, traveled around the country. It is an important issue to many americans. At that time he had attended the immigration plan and a big part of that plan, to come to our country, hes going to cut off benefits, and expert citizenship so my question do you think donald trump has been influenced by those around him and is fighting these issues . What is your opinion on that. So sorry about your loss. The thing when it comes to donald trump is i have no friends in washington so i dont care. The thing with donald trump when it came to hiring practices early on, stephen miller, for those who knows who he has, aggressively pushed out a lot of immigration hawks because in my estimation i believe he pushed out a lot of people who could have been allies, stands as one of the only people in the room because he wanted to make himself indispensable to the president. Differing voices, lets take ending benefits toward sanctuary cities, which i am a supporter of but you have somebody do that, they make it a more terrorist target for federal funds. I understand where they are coming from. There is not a uniform voice inside the administration and there could have been things done differently early on. It wasnt just stephen miller. It was one of many people in the administration that purposely pushed out immigration hawks. He has done something very well like remain in mexico, Border Crossing numbers are down, 18,000, down 18,000, whereas before, that historic lows, it was very crucial. The other things he could do, i know the executive order, people who wrote it. I couldnt tell you. In the right settings donald trump does believe americans are being shafted and got a raw deal on many issues. I just think that when you are constantly being told if you do something you are going to crash the economy or lose the election, is hesitant. I do know for a fact, the executive order may be very good and hopefully it is. He is being pressured to do the right thing and hopefully the promises he made he was always going to be a billionaire, no one is going to be a rich guy. The promises he made is not like 100 million and the promise he made, had been so badly the president is Bush Clinton Bush obama, a constant cycle of that. That is what goes on in the white house, there are more good people than there were a year ago. I believe we will see a big transformation in the deep state and the administration to bring good people there, they were bringing people there, getting ready to go, to the second term, feeling confident. I found this has always been true of donald trump and coronavirus, when he is at his best, when he is feeling the vibe from the crowd, like your self, part of it is not being around the great chorus of the white house. Being outside that bubble but part of it is reconnecting to his roots because it really does drive on that. There is a world beyond the poll numbers which are negative. I am really excited he is breaking out, one major change that results from him getting back out on the campaign trail. In 2016 when donald trump is at his best, a controversial plan, he was driving the narrative, sitting the agenda, whether it was seeking angel moms or a controversial husband man, undoubtably that donald trump was leading the National Narrative and he has completely lost that now. I predict there will be a change. Alex trebek, we will try to get everyone a question. Go ahead. When someone calls you a racist. A great question. You dont have to. I cant prove anything, if that is the charge im getting you will not listen to me to begin with but i dont believe in the antiracist movement. Im just not a racist. Black americans matter as much as white americans, their wages are being depressed by Mass Immigration. It is not a race issue. If it was a race issue than the voters of england wouldnt be getting angry at Mass Immigration from poland. It would be against chileans and other south americans. It is not a racial issue. It is a cultural issue. We are not going to have a real conversation and next i dont give a crap. Sorry. I am not in it to win friends and to be everyones best friend. I take a similar tack. I have never been someone to block or mute friends on social media. It is disheartening we totally advocated the principles of classical liberalism. We dont engage in conversations like this. We shout down, ruin the lives and careers when i get an email saying dear see word it is someone who hates me or my daughter. I am not going to engage, it will be whatever. Victor or bun was almost driven out of office because of extraordinary measures to combat covid19. Just call it coronavirus. The question is he was accused of being a fascist and the person who wrote this question, how does populism succeed with justices . Especially the Supreme Court being so horrible this week. He has an idea of having common good constitutionalism, i am probably botching the understanding of it. He is not a dumb person at all. He. And and what part of the common good. A trend for the future. They lost a lot of cases this week. And and steve bannon describes house victory is the most highly leveraged hostile takeover of any organization, what i was hoping would come out of this, the early days of the Trump Administration, i hope a thriving culture of men in washington, think tanks, reflected this movement. It wasnt enough to take over the establishment of the carcass of the dying old republican party. A lot of people who were part of the problem to govern and look at some of these other institutions that have been around. But it was matching one point. This is important because of a lot of discussions and the roadmap many people could learn from the Trump Presidency personnel is policy. Important to understand that, a lot more power than you think he does and that implies lighthizer was fantastic, peter navarro, that dhs, hostile donald trump beginning to end. That is why we need to create national policy, think tanks and institutions, the heritage foundations of the world. The lightning rounds. On twitter why dont you tell people your twitter handle and what websites do you recommend to somebody who wants to know more. Ryan ryan girdusky, just forgot my name. And ryan girdusky, little known. Misspelled my name and i was in charge of checking it. No one is saying that, most of my problems in life. I have a every single sunday. 7 30 or 8 00, news for the rest of the world, different places to find it. I love antiwar. Com. Trying to think of other places, i spend a lot of time with that. Saw i name. I bought that handle for 100 when twitter came out. I never used anything, never use it and it turned out to be so convenient. I realized breitbart, the newsletter, he would kill me, the national polls. Com and immediate website but talking about this previously i was hoping news organizations would come out and i am hoping people in this room or people watching on television got the time to write themselves. Got a whole section on the media, the number one way to become, everything predicted to be wrong. Social media is very relevant right now. That is the lightning round. We are going to wind this up and in the prologue of the book. You also got each others message ready to disarm. First of all a for some. He would never let me live it down. He wishes his name was up there. Most people dont know who he was, in charge of the war room in the Brexit Debate with nigel far to the age and is in the United States and is on a blog, a podcast steve bannon. Took a while to write that it is important. In your lifetime as i am sure many of you sacrifice immensely, the practices or debate, got to this point so not quite on their level. You thanked your sixth grade history teacher. He is alive. I know she is. I havent spoken to her. I hated school. In third grade i told my parents i am ready to drop out. I know everything i need to know and she was the one teacher who got me to like a subject which was history. I really hated school when i was a kid. In history, wouldnt care about politics if i had her as a teacher so thank you wherever you are. Brian and holland, everyone watching on cspan booktv and everyone on the live stream. Why not take it up with a nice round of applause. [applause] booktv on cspan2, this Labor Day Weekend watch top nonfiction books and authors, noon eastern on in depth, a 2 hour live conversation with father and faith and Freedom Coalition founder ralph reed. 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How the United States are gone from a position of supreme power unlike anything since the roman empire in every dimension of power in 1993 to a country to date be set by challenges everywhere. How did that happen, how did we get here so i began looking at all the major foreignpolicy challenges we had since 1993 and thinking about what we had done and what we had not done that contributed to the decline in our role in the world and our power in the world. I came up with a set of nonmilitary instruments of power that had played such an Important Role in our success in the cold war against the soviet union and had been neglected and weathered after the end of the cold war at a time we continued to fund our military we basically dismantled all of the nonmilitary instance of power from diplomacy to economic leverage to Strategic Communications and more, we could go into that later and as i looked at these challenges from somalia and haiti in 1993 and others, right up to our relationship with russia and china, north korea, it occurred to me that we had failed in many respects to figure out how to compete with these powers outside of the military realm and so the reality is of the 15 challenges that i write about for all practical purposes i consider 13 to be failures and that is why in the title, the word failures comes first. There are a couple successes and they are important successes and there are lessons to be learned from those as well but we had a lot of problems during that 27 year period and i would conclude by saying the wars in iraq and afghanistan began with a very quick military victories and the problem that identified whether it was iraq and afghanistan or somalia or haiti or others was once we had achieved military victory we then changed our mission. We decided to move to trying to bring democracy and reform the governors of those countries and that is where iran into trouble. To watch of this Program Visit our website booktv. Org and search for robert gates or the title of his book, exercise of power. You are watching booktv. Coming up next cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey tube and recounts the legal aspect of the Mueller Investigation and the impeachment of donald trump. Philosophy professors examine the impact of grandstanding and political discourse and later sonja shah look at the science and history of migration and you can find more information on your Program Guide or online, booktv. Org. Discussing his book tonight with former u. S. Attorney for in the Northern District of georgia, kept alexander. Last year kent joined Jeffrey Toobin in the ranks possibly readable narrative nonfiction with his become, the suspect, about the olympic park becoming. Youre invited to be part of the conversation asl,