part of the dream of the film. and care, you know? so it is odd, you know, what is tough? because you say, you know, the light should move a little to the left? if a man says that that's fine. i guess it's just we're still differentiated, you know. we are still different. in a way, i'm glad hillary clinton wasn't the first woman president, because with this economic crisis, they would have probably blamed her gender. rather than eight years proceeding, you know? >> larry: you're probably right. as the first black has been blamed, has he not? we'll get to this a little later. are you also, therefore, a control freak? >> that i am. yeah, of course. but as i say in the book -- i tell a story about my friend. my good friend, ronnie myers.