demanded, is it not? >> reporter: absolutely right. t.j., it's supposed to be a democratic process, starts with the grassroots conviction that someone lived a holy life. this surnout turn out is proof of the point. >> proof of the point there, so many people, so much outpouring. john how much have we seen in the past few days, maybe weeks of people who are bringing up, hey, wait a minute, this is the same guy who didn't move quickly enough or do enough when it came to the catholic church's abuse scand scandals. how much of it has been out there in the lead up to today? >> reporter: there's been quite a bit of it actually. john paul was pope over many years. people will debate where he made the right choices. i think in some ways that's a debate for another day. people in and around the square