said. >> right. >> to give you that point. i think she has a point there as well. do you think that -- do the clinton folks have a point about the nastiness of the campaign, about the fake stories, about the negativity, about what hillary and what david said about what made the -- maybe what is offensive to people, it affects their lives when you say that the first black president should show his birth certificate. that affects african-americans. >> look, the general election wasn't any nastier than the primary election. the primary was a vicious process. >> that's not an answer to the question, though. john, honestly, that's not an answer to my question. >> don, if i can just -- >> hold on, you're answering my question with another question about the election. >> no. i'm saying election are nasty all the time and people get over it. >> i agree with that. come on, john. we sat here for, what, 18 months