court. but you're supposed to make a case of why it is so necessary to withhold the information. the committee has a clear jurisdictional basis to ask for this testimony. while i don't believe that there is prima facia evidence of obstruction of justice yet. there are investigating the possibility of that crime. so i think a court finds his public statements to be worrisome. in fairness to the white house there is obviously more to the conversation nas occurred between a president and a person that was then the fbi director. that does happen to fall in an area of executive privilege. but i've never seen a privilege argument succeed on this type of record. and i have to also say presidents are usually very reluctant to have court challenges over privilege because they try not to lose ground for future presidents. >> mark, i mean as the great defense attorney as you, you would probably advice clients not just based on law but also