sticks. they're going to negotiate, they should negotiate tough. >> you also have to have a clear sense of what you want out of this. if you're going to take a deal, you have to know what you want and i don't know that that's clear inside the administration. >> publicly, too, we've asked the administration and they won't tell us what the message is president trump wants to give in this meeting? >> they should say we understand there is need for improvement and we're going to have our teams out. >> they're looking for greater solutions. that's a tough thing to do but that's what they're working on. ukraine wants to get back in the agreement. that will lead to sanctions. obviously, behind the scenes there is a lot going on in the ukraine and russia. again, it's tricky. can president trump do that while keeping himself from doing other crazy things, like giving