system. my question is, who is the conservative connection to that base. >> speaking with a lot of conservatives that i have spoken with today and a lot of conservatives, look, bannon helped to energize the disaffected republicans, a lot of obama voters, they wanted somebody to go in and drain the swamp and bannon helped do that. a lot of conservatives are looking at kellyanne conway to be the gateway to the president and she is ready and willing and able to step up and do just that. so whether we're talking social conservatives, she is somebody -- >> but if kellyanne conway had it the way bannon has it then you wouldn't have needed bannon, because there was a lot of baggage to come in with him? right, there was a lot of baggage to come in with him. so the connection to the base is not to be rivalled with the remaining people there, i don't think, right? >> i think his tie to the conservative base will still be steve bannon. trump is famous for firing people and then still calling