really, we are talking about the suitability of the people that they have put into these positions. that's what's at question. >> but, you know, once someone of these people who hasn't received this clearance but is able to see classified information you can't unsee classified information, right? the toothpaste is out of the tube. garrett -- or nada, isn't part of the point to get the clearance before you see secrets? >> absolutely. i had to jump through many hoops to get my top secret clearance and see compartmentalized information. you can't contain classified information in a manner without being able to make sure that people who are handling the information can be trusted and understand what to do with the information. because they are also vulnerable to being recruited by a foreign intelligence service because they haven't cleared the background check. >> what about jared kushner, garrett? he's more than just a staffer.