chaos. and it is true that president trump kind of likes that. i think he doesn't mind it. it is reminiscent of the apprentice days. a bit like game show. he doesn't mind that people are vying to one-up each other. the problem for the rest of the public is that it seems like there's nobody in charge. there's no order to the madness. and this is not a white house who is setting out an agenda for what they want to do and trying to go forward and organized fashion to get it done. >> certainly there's nothing wrong having people disagree and fight with the best idea wins. i think the question is how much conflict is healthy and how much is pushing you forward. is it a team of rivals or mean girls? and i apply that equally to both genders. are you creating a toxic environment or a productive one? i think it swings this white house but you see that there's so much chaos and there's not a