the dash 8. it first started making, oh, boy like, 30 years ago. it's not built to do this. so for this person to do literally this maneuver a loop -- you know, and then in layman's terms, a loop-de-loop. he was proud he had didn't. he must have been exposed to it. he knew he did something pretty difficult. that's what it sound like. the tower did a good job trying to talk him down. >> we don't know at what point exactly during the flight that con ver station took pla conversation took place. i want to play it again. listen to the end, what the mechanic answers. listen to this. >> all right, rich, this is captain bill, congratulations. you did that. now let's try to land that airplane safely. not hurt anybody on the ground. >> all right. now, tell me, i don't know, man, i don't know! i don't want to. i was kind of hoping that was