it's about women. it's about people of color. it's about people who have been called the base of this party for so long saying, we're tired of being the base. can we actually just be in the leadership sometimes? don't just have us knocking on doors. don't just have us being the foot soldiers. we want to be the generals. we want to be able to actually lead and go forward. there's very little to distinguish these candidates when it comes to policy. but when it comes to energy and when it comes to a critique of the status quo, you have a democratic party that feels like we were led off a cliff by the hillary clinton machine, and people are tired of being told to wait and wait and wait. and folks are not waiting. >> well, they also want to knuckle up, dave, right? the concern for you whendisposi? >> this is hugely. >> if you match them up policy for policy, their big clash wound up being colin kaepernick. >> chris -- >> these are people who are going to fight trump actively.